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| December 4, 2003
| sweetliberty
Posted on 12/04/2003 3:31:09 PM PST by sweetliberty
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To: RusCD
Link didn't work Rus.
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:44:58 PM PST
by
sweetliberty
(Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.)
To: Budge
"When it comes to "compassion" this former priest proved himself sorely lacking on his own TV program.
Why does this not surprise me."
Well, it didn't surprise me because it was PBS.
To: cyn
"Yeah, Gordon was interesting -- do you know what his website is or anything more about him?"
I wonder if that's the same Gordon who was on here a few days ago?
To: sweetliberty; FL_engineer
I looked at HB 2131/SB 2228 bill after
FL engineer mentioned it earlier today4/99 issue of "Elder Update", the newsletter for the FL Dept. of Elder Affairs. This is a portion of a column by Gema Hernandez, the DOEA secretary, on the 1999 legislative session:
pg 20 Bills on the fast track at press time
In the area of advance directives, HB 2131 and its companion bill CS/SB2228, would eliminate the current requirement that persons who have made advance directives or designated a health care surrogate be terminally ill before life-prolonging procedures could be removed. Civil liability protection would be extended to health care facilities and staff who honor do-not-resuscitate orders (DNROs).
One HAS to wonder what (if?) those legislators were thinking! Does anyone know the history? We know that Felos petitioned to have Terris feeding removed in 5/98, ie PRIOR to this bill being filed.
What changes have occurred in the FL house and senate since '99 to the current legislature that PASSED Terri's law (essentially trying to undue their 4/99 bill)? THIS is Sen. Kings legacy??
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posted on
12/30/2003 9:31:15 PM PST
by
cyn
(cynic#456,789)
To: Wampus SC
h'mm, don't know!.
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posted on
12/30/2003 9:35:15 PM PST
by
cyn
(cynic#456,789)
To: sweetliberty
![](http://images2.fotki.com/v11/photos/3/34576/139512/grapvine-vi.gif)
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Something pretty for Terri & us -- sweetliberty's flowers!
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posted on
12/30/2003 9:36:51 PM PST
by
cyn
(cynic#456,789)
To: FL_engineer
I wonder about changes in the composition of the FL house and senate from '99 to '03.
You focused on the courts:
"WHY DOES THIS COURT OBJECT to the legislature changing laws in 2003 affecting an active case (to SAVE Terri)...
BUT the SAME COURTS WELCOMED the legislature changing laws in 1999 affecting this SAME ACTIVE case (to DESTROY Terri)?
Why, indeed?
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posted on
12/30/2003 9:42:39 PM PST
by
cyn
(cynic#456,789)
To: cyn
Gov. Bush's team dealt with this on pgs 3-4 of his
amicus curiae in 10/03:
Argument Terri does not have a terminal ilneess, is not brain dead, and is not comatose. Other than some future intervening illness or accident, it is only lack of food and water that would cause her death. She is in a persistent vegetative state ("PVS"), which in itself will not cause her death. [NOTE: that Terri is PVS is disputed by physicians]
Florida law defines PVS separately from terminal illness . . . However, the state court inexplicably concluded that Terri is terminal, [RIGHT! and wrongly placed her in hospice care!] Schindler v. Schiavo (In re: Guardianship of Schiavo) 792 So. 2d 551, 560 (Fla. 2d DCA 2001) (Schiavo 11) The fact that she is unable to give herself nourishment is not a symptom of a dying body; it is the result of severe injury and disability.
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posted on
12/30/2003 10:04:41 PM PST
by
cyn
(cynic#456,789)
To: sweetliberty
Glad to see some action back on the Terri Thread. I just emailed James King and will write the rest of the senators tomorrow. Glad your computer is back up and running Sweetliberty. Hope every Terri supporter had a wonderful Christmas...
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posted on
12/30/2003 10:32:04 PM PST
by
pollywog
(Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
To: floriduh voter
Felos' filed opposition to staying the removal of Terri's feeding tube, 8/03 -- it's a mockery of justice to see the false statements in this that were allowed and rewarded, and this has been happening through the years. For example:
First, Petitioners falsely insinuate that the ward left no advance directive, which is defined in Section 765.101(1), Florida Statutes. To the contrary, the wards advance directives gave the trial court a sufficient basis to make this decision for her. [I'm curious -- does that section really allow hearsay?]AND
"Second, lack of cognition is not a prerequisite for withdrawal of life-prolonging procedures when there are no advance directives. Section 765.401(3), Florida Statutes, provides that absent evidence of patient intent, such medical procedures can be withheld or withdrawn when that decision is in the patients best interest. That statute by reference to Section 765.305, allows such decisions to be made for patients who are in end-stage or terminal conditions [BUT Terri is NOT terminal, of course] (765.305(2)(b)), said conditions not defined by lack of cognition (765.101(4) and (17)).
Well, it's past my bedtime. Goodnight, fv!
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posted on
12/30/2003 11:00:14 PM PST
by
cyn
(cynic#456,789)
To: cyn; floriduh voter; All
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posted on
12/31/2003 2:26:50 AM PST
by
msmagoo
To: cyn
[I'm curious -- does that section really allow hearsay?] And not just any hearsay, but hearsay of statements that are at best ambiguous (Karen Ann Quinlan's ventilator was removed, but she lived for many more years; Terri's statement in reference to Karen Ann's situation that she wouldn't want to be supported artificially (assuming she ever made any) could be taken as a desire to be allowed to survive on her own at least as well as they could be taken as a desire to be killed.)
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posted on
12/31/2003 7:06:17 AM PST
by
supercat
(Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
To: cyn
313
posted on
12/31/2003 8:19:03 AM PST
by
tutstar
(Jesus is the reason for the season! <((--><)
To: RusCD; sweetliberty
I think they have it copy prevention on the page. I tried several things including saving the page and can't copy it.
SL if you just go to the home page
http://www.ncdweb.net/ the link for the article is right at the top.
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posted on
12/31/2003 8:41:43 AM PST
by
tutstar
(Jesus is the reason for the season! <((--><)
To: cyn; FL_engineer
This is a very pertinent point. I wonder if we would have any success getting the local stations to give it air time.
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posted on
12/31/2003 8:43:32 AM PST
by
tutstar
(Jesus is the reason for the season! <((--><)
To: sweetliberty
So sorry about your troubles, FReeper pal. The enemy hates your guts. (Good news! You must really be one of the Lord's true soldiers otherwise the enemy couldn't care less.) I hope I'm still on your ping list - for Terri and for voter fraud at least.
God bless you and we pray that you'll be back in the swing of things real soon. Don't let the bas--rds get you down.
Happy New Year!!
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posted on
12/31/2003 1:10:56 PM PST
by
Saundra Duffy
(For victory & freedom!!!)
To: msmagoo; Wampus SC
thanks for those links -- I didn't connect the dots last night about Gordon!
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posted on
12/31/2003 3:06:58 PM PST
by
cyn
(cynic#456,789)
To: supercat; tutstar
Acc that section of the FL statutes, sure enough, it does, and has since at least '97:
765.101 Definitions.--As used in this chapter: (1) "Advance directive" means a witnessed written document or oral statement in which instructions are given by a principal or in which the principal's desires are expressed concerning any aspect of the principal's health care...
But as you pointed out, it is the QUALITY of that evidence, the (un)reliability of those who gave it, and the fact that Terri made opposite comments to friends.
There's more . . . but I'm not sure I accomplished anything novel or helpful after quite a while in the Florida statutes.
Finally I realized that (1)(a) our computer is really slow (b) we need a new computer (2) my head hurt (3) the ability to wade thru all that is probably genetic!
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posted on
12/31/2003 3:33:52 PM PST
by
cyn
(cynic#456,789)
To: mickie; cyn
This is very distressing. Prayer is definitely a plus. If I'm needed, they've got my phone number. Until that time, I'm watching terrisfight.org just like everyone else. What happened during the Vigils was that the folks who showed up the first week all became fast friends and we're very tight. Terri brought so many together and we're not going to let her down.
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posted on
12/31/2003 3:51:11 PM PST
by
floriduh voter
(www.conservative-spirit.org freeper site)
To: Wampus SC
It's Gordon Watts. He's from Pinellas County.
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posted on
12/31/2003 3:52:52 PM PST
by
floriduh voter
(www.conservative-spirit.org freeper site)
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