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It has now gone over to the other extreme.

Oh, I think it's exactly the same extreme, only with a different justification!

There is quite an amount of irony in what you wrote in #14--I thought you were aware of it and intended it: "Now, Germans believe that human life is so precious that a terrorist planner should only lose 15 years of it even if he helps murder 3,000 individuals."

As putupon said, 43.8 hours / death means "life is cheap." The life of innocents is cheap, that is--the life of murderers is precious. And that's exactly how it was in the Third Reich. New bottle, same beer.

Can you now see why we're worried, Michael? BTW Hitler was elected democratically, too--it's freedom that matters, not democracy.

You say life is cheap here.

WE SAY:

- the guy JUST HELPED. He wasn´t the actual encourager or offender, therefore, his fine must be lowered.
- these 3,000 deaths are considered as one action, in German law you cannot get 3,000 x 15 years or 3,000 x life imprisonment. If your crime was one (membership of a terrorist org), you´ll be fined once.
- lock him off forever will not reanimate any of the deads, noone will be more free when he´s in jail for his life. We say that every man has the right to prove that he has improved. In fact, life isn´t cheap here. The opposite is true. The deads are dead. Every life is worth to protect. The offender will get a second chance to prove that he´s worth a life in freedom. And if he fails, he´ll die in prison.

There´s no relation to the Nazi era, and everybody who claims the opposite can just p*§* 0ff. I get sick and tired of this BS. Call the embassy, all European States, or your local fire dept. Maybe they can help you. I can´t and I´m not going to spend my time on this anymore. I´ve said what I regard being important in my posts on this thread. Read them again or not.

There is quite an amount of irony in what you wrote in #14--I thought you were aware of it and intended it: "Now, Germans believe that human life is so precious that a terrorist planner should only lose 15 years of it even if he helps murder 3,000 individuals."

There is irony. However, my point is that the German moral compass has been passed from one generation to the other in such a mangled state that the present day Germans have lost touch with reality.

Just like the son of the abusive alcoholic that is so traumatized by his father's past that they truly believe that anyone that allows a single drop of alcohol to pass through their lips is a moral degenerate and is terrified of ever tasting a drop of alcohol, the current generation of Germans has swung to the other extreme in terms of imposing state sanctions against an individual no matter how deserving the circumstances.

Neither the son of the alcoholic nor the present day German is thinking rationally. They are just reacting viscerally to a great fear that there is a demon force inside of them that they cannot control and must therefore avoid at all costs.

Irrationality often brings about quite ridiculous ironies. In this case, by over-valueing the crimminal's life, Germany is obscenely cheapening the lives of 3,000 murder victims.