[js1138]

You don't need expertise to judge the quality of a design after the product is built. It works or it doesn't. This particular discussion started with the assertion that an untrained person could spot crap.

There are certainly exceptions. I suppose there are buildings in California that never failed simply because their economic utility expired prior to an earthquake. There are lots of buildings with fire and safety code violations that will never be revealed, but that is not what is being discussed.

Animal bodies are filled with designs that are just good enough to all survival and reproduction, but do not contribute to the comfort or happiness of the individual. The human upright posture is a prime example. The next time you get a hernia you will know what I mean. If the designer of the human frame built bridges, he would be in jail.

[bluejay]

You don't need expertise to judge the quality of a design after the product is built. It works or it doesn't.

By this logic design of Man clearly works. Chalk one up for Creator.

Animal bodies are filled with designs that are just good enough to all survival and reproduction, but do not contribute to the comfort or happiness of the individual.

Oh this is good! Did you actually communicate with animals and found out that their bodies do not contribute to happiness?

The human upright posture is a prime example. The next time you get a hernia you will know what I mean. If the designer of the human frame built bridges, he would be in jail.

I breathlessly await a new and improved prototype.