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To: Just mythoughts
This should give some clues, about all those missing "links", but oh well, guess they will have wait til they meet up with old Darwin to find the answers.

The article itself says they just found a bunch more "missing links," things that have been turning up regular as clockwork. To the extent you even notice, you say, to never mind that. There's still something called "the missing link" and it's still missing and it's proof that science is a house of cards.

What bothers me isn't just that creationism/ID is wrong. It's wrong-headed. It's anti-knowledge, anti-thinking.

37 posted on 12/03/2003 6:45:04 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
"What bothers me isn't just that creationism/ID is wrong. It's wrong-headed. It's anti-knowledge, anti-thinking."


Please, Naturalists have their dogma and Theists have theirs. One will dogmatically in advance refuse to consider the possiblity of divine intervention as an answer, the other will refuse to consider that time and chance, space and energy are all that is at work in the universe. No side is any more open minded than the other. You are attempting to take the intellectual and, somehow, moral highground on pretenses.

I would like to debate the specifics of the finds, it has been a while since we have tested one another, but the paper makes claims without getting enough supporting detail to evaluate those claims.
59 posted on 12/03/2003 7:12:59 PM PST by Ahban
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To: VadeRetro
I will not disagree that most ID/Christians do place parameters around a belief that goes against what can be seen.

E's have a mass of evidence and one huge "MISSING LINK". E's have their own set of parameters in the opposite direction.

Consider for a moment that each individual person was in a non-flesh body thus left no "skeletal remains" in the days of the dinosaurs. Thinking about the purpose of "man" not just in flesh but in a non-flesh body cannot be answered by flesh man.

Just because one cannot see in another dimension does not make that dimension non-existent.

Consider these questions.

Then from the storm Jehovah spake to Job,

Pray, who is it that maketh counsel dark
By words devoid of knowledge, [AND OF TRUTH]?

Gird up thy loins, now, like a man; for I
Will ask of thee, and do thou answer ME.

Where wast thou when I earth's foundations laid?
Say if thou know'st, and hast intelligence.

Who fix'd its measurements? (for thou wilt know),
Or who upon it stretched the measuring line?

On what were its foundations made to rest?
Or who its corner-stone [so truly] laid,

(When all the morning stars together sang,
And all the sons of God did shout for joy)?

Or, who fenced in with doors the [roaring] sea,
When bursting forth from [Nature's] womb it came?

What time I made the clouds its covering-robe,
And darkness deep the swaddling-band thereof;

When I decreed for it My boundary,
And set its bars and doors, and to it said,

"Thus far - no farther, Ocean, shalt thou come:
Here shalt thou stay the swelling of thy waves"?

Hast thou called Morning forth since thou was
born;
Or taught the early Dawn to know its place?

[Bid Morn] lay hold on outskirts of the earth;
[Taught Dawn] to rout the lawless from their place?

[Bid Morn] change earth as clay beneath the seal;
[Bid Dawn] enrobe the beauteous world with light?

Thus Morning robs the wicked of their prey,
And stays, arrested, the uplifted arm.

The fountains of the sea hast thou explored?
Or, has thou searched the secrets of the deep?


Job 38:1-16

I suppose "thinking" and "knowledge" could be what is called in modern times "ones own perception" of each.










76 posted on 12/03/2003 8:13:13 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: VadeRetro
What bothers me isn't just that creationism/ID is wrong. It's wrong-headed. It's anti-knowledge, anti-thinking.

It won't be a FR Evolution debate without the man of science VadeRetro spewing insults.

Does "science" support insult spewing?

344 posted on 12/04/2003 3:11:03 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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