DIEBOLD-FACED LIES (And Florida 2000 lies, and Memogate lies...all by Paul Krugman)

The Conspiracy to Keep You Poor and Stupid ^ | December 3, 2003 | Donald L. Luskin

[Timesink]

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[finnman69]

Wow, the Bush hating "economist" is now an expert on voting machines.

[txzman]

Krugman is a shadow of a human being, so caught up in his hate for Bush that I am quite sure he actually sees Republican monsters under his bed at night.

Me thinks his parents neglected to change his diaper enough.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

I hate to agree with Krugman, but I don't like touch screen voting either, as much as I like computers. I want there to be a physical ballot that I know has gone in the ballot box, because I placed it there.

When I use a computer for E-mail or FreeRepublic, I can go back and see what I've written. When I buy something on-line, there is a receipt that I can print out and check on. Unless there is some physical printout of my ballot, I don't have that confirmation.

Funny thing is, my gut reaction is that touch screen voting will make it too easy for Democrats to rig the voting even more than they usually do.

[woerm]

Hi all,

memo from email systems admin of waaaay tooo much experience

do not put anything in an email you don't want on the front page of the *Times*

*= any paper you wouldn't want to be quoted by...

email, especially internet email is just designed to deliver email not to provide any inherent security to the document.

inhouse stuff like GroupWise or Lotus is some what better than M$loth stuff, but always remember that email can get forwarded to places you have no control over.

</sarcasam
confidential/sensitive data on an unsecure server?

not a resume enhancment

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[Always Right]

Krugman starts the column by making it seem as though O'Dell has confessed to using Diebold machines to rig elections. Quoting from a letter from O'Dell concerning a Bush fundraiser: "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

You have to understand, when Democrats say they are gonna 'deliver' votes they really mean lie, steal, and cheat. Democrats just assume that everyone is as much of a low-life as they are.

[TomB]

I hate to agree with Krugman, but I don't like touch screen voting either,

Uh, that isn't what he's saying. He's saying that Diebold is rigging their voting machines to favor Republicans.

Do you still agree with him?

[Desron13]

Yup. I believe its called "Projection".

[TomB]

A system that can be rigged in either direction is not right for America. This is one of those right or wrong kind of things.

If you notice, nowhere is anybody saying specifically that electronic voting is good or bad. I think it is a very bad idea. This article is specifically pointing out the lies of a Paul Krugman article accusing someone of rigging elections for Bush.

I really don't see why this is so difficult to understand.

[harpseal]

LEt me be clear I do not have any illusions that touch screen voting is immune from vote fraud. The problem is the Democrats are addicted to vote manipulation and their big complaint seems to be that they will have to retrain their vote fraud personnel. Of course some Democrats see the potential to magnify their vote fraud.

Clearly there is no absolutely secfure voting method. From paper ballots, to mechanical voting machines, to punched cards and now to electronic digital methods fraud techniques have eveolved along with the technology.

Of course the Dems will use any means to steal an election.

[TomB]

Am I reading the right thread?

[steve-b]

Notwithstanding the fact that Krugman has three working neurons on a good day, Diebold's system (like any "electronic voting" system that does not generate a voter-verified paper record that takes priority over the electronic record if the two disagree) stinks to high heaven.

There is simply no excuse for tolerating the absence of this elementary security feature.

[talleyman]

Democrats just assume that everyone is as much of a low-life as they are.

Whatever DemoRats accuse you of, that's what they're doing.
BTW, has the NY Slimes gotten the Pulitzer for fiction this year?

[steve-b]

Funny thing is, my gut reaction is that touch screen voting will make it too easy for Democrats to rig the voting even more than they usually do.

With paper ballots, generating ten fraudulent votes requires ten times as much work as generating one fraudulent vote.

With electronic votes (not supported by printed confirmation), once you're in the system it's as easy to generate ten thousand fraudulent votes as to generate only one.

That's the bottom line.

[rellimpank]

--that is exactly my fear. Unless I am mistaken, the Canadians still manage to conduct honest elections the oldfashioned way--with a paper ballot, counted by three election judges. It gets done promptly, also.

As the saying goes, an honest election is the easy to accomplish--

[Celtjew Libertarian]

No, I don't agree that Diebold or the GOP are rigging the votes. However, overall, electronic voting machines make fraud harder to detect and harder to disprove.

The more electronic voting there is, the more paranoids like Krugman are going to be able to cast doubt on any result they don't like, no matter how honest.

[TomB]

No, I don't agree that Diebold or the GOP are rigging the votes. However, overall, electronic voting machines make fraud harder to detect and harder to disprove.

The more electronic voting there is, the more paranoids like Krugman are going to be able to cast doubt on any result they don't like, no matter how honest.

Great, so let's give Krugman a pass.

[.cnI redruM]

I know this one will set off a flame war, but.....

Krazy Krugman has a valid point. Not even just the one on top of his head. Voting machines can be hacked and used to fix elections. I don't trust their reliability.