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Maybe you don't care because you weren't the paintiff in the suit. His pattern of behavior is most cetainly relevant to the case. If it hadn't been, he wouldn't have been fined and disbarred.

It was never proven that he sexually assaulted Paula Jones, and Monica Lewinsky was a very willing participant. So he lied about getting some nooky on the side. So what?

You and your sources agree that he opposed the bills (and it sounds like I would too), but I don't see where he said that he supported them. If I missed it and it was a lie. It's wrong. I don't condone it.

He said he did during his campaign. You have to read the whole story and maybe do a little research of your own (gasp). I don't waste hours doing research for people that call me a liar.

It sounds like everyone agrees that this man did not do the killing that he confessed to and for which he was sentenced to death. If he wasn't sentenced to death for the other crimes that he was accused of and either confessed or was convicted of, why shouldn't the sentence be commuted from death to life in prison? He (the convict) sounds like a dispicable human (or sub-human), but under our criminal justice system, we don't execute people for crimes that they didn't commit.

There were many people that came before Henry Lee Lucas that Bush allowed to be executed...many with evidence of innocence that was just as clear-cut. Henry Lee Lucas was only tried and sentenced on the one count, but he is known to have committed at least 20 murders between Texas and Illinois. So...of every single condemned man that comes before him, the white trash serial killer who may or may have not murdered Orange Socks but who CERTAINLY killed dozens of other women warms his heart, but people like Gary Graham, who I do NOT think was actually guilty, goes to the death chamber. It's arbitrary and stupid. Henry Lee Lucas was a sick, twisted serial killer and was one of the men on Texas's death row that deserved it the MOST...yet Bush commutes his sentence to life. At the time, I thought it REEKED...and I still do.

You really are stretching to come up with valid complaints against Bush. And in case you missed it - I am not a Bush fan.

LOL...sure, keep telling yourself that.

This doesn't surprise me either. That's why I questioned your presence here. McCain is hardly the ideal of conservatism.

I'll vote for who I want, when I want. I don't care what you think or whether you think I deserve to be here.

I heard (possibly true) rumors of ONE DUI some years ago BEFORE he quit drinking, but now you have proof of TWO? I'd like to see it.

Sorry, I confused Bush's number of DUIs with Cheney's. Cheney has two. Bush has one.

Proof please.

I thought this was common knowledge. Next you'll be asking me to prove that the sky is blue. This is the last time I will obtain proof for you. Next time, you will have to do your own research.

"Cheney got a union job laying power lines in the blue-collar town of Rock Springs, Wyo. He stayed in constant touch with Lynne, who was in college in Colorado; he had had to endure teasing from Plotkin for writing her almost daily from Yale. On occasion, he drank too much—a practice that led to two DUI arrests within a year. Cheney told Nicholas years later that the arrests motivated him to get his career on track." Source: http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/2002/poycheney2.html

If true, (and does time since a DUI and a change in lifestyle and behavior mean anything or are we condemned as 'sinners' forever) a DUI is a misdemeanor which doesn't rise to the level of impeachment (to borrow a phrase).

Drunk drivers kill thousands of people every year. I don't consider it a minor transgression.

I'm the son of a drunk. So what? Since you are projecting your anger based on your experience, perhaps if you had someone cheating on you with every woman he could get his hands on, you'd be as angry at lying philanderers as you profess to be at lying drunks. Besides, Bush changed his behavior. Clinton didn't, hasn't, and likely never will. My principles tell me to trust a man who 'repents' more than one who doesn't.

I don't know that he changed his behavior. There have been lots of pictures of him drinking published since he was elected. Bush is every bit the unrepentant liar that Clinton was.

Do you get your talking points from the DNC? That sounds so much like "The people's business" that clinton always claimed to be doing. It's BS. And besides, I rather like when the Congress is tied up and not passing laws. When they 'work', it generally costs us both freedom and money. Let them be tied up all year for all I care.

Why don't we just throw out the whole system and have a dictatorship?

"It was never proven that he sexually assaulted Paula Jones, and Monica Lewinsky was a very willing participant. So he lied about getting some nooky on the side. So what?"

I'll go slow so that you can follow along. Paula Jones made the accusation against Clinton. Over the years there were other allegations. There was a pattern of conduct. In front of the grand jury and a Federal judge, he lied. Don't you know by now that the cover up is usually perceived to be worse than the deed being covered up? Because he lied, he was disbarred. Because he lied, he was fined. He agreed to pay Paula Jones $900,000.00. You don't pay that kind of money if you aren't guilty. If you pay ten grand to save on lawyer's fees, maybe you aren't guilty. But not 900 grand.

"He said he did during his campaign. You have to read the whole story and maybe do a little research of your own (gasp). I don't waste hours doing research for people that call me a liar."

I didn't watch every minute of his campaign. I don't know his Texas history. I didn't call you a liar, I just followed standard FR practice - if you make a claim here, you are the one that has to back it up.

"There were many people that came before Henry Lee Lucas that Bush allowed to be executed...many with evidence of innocence that was just as clear-cut.

Then I suggest that you either run for governor so that you can make those decisions or get on the board that makes the recommendations. Do you also believe that Mumia (the convicted cop-killer in Philadelphia) is innocent too?

"Henry Lee Lucas was only tried and sentenced on the one count,..."

It sounds like the prosecution screwed up if he 'was known' to have killed other people in Texas, but was only tried for one death. You may not like it, but if he wasn't guilty of that crime, he can't be executed for it.

"...but he is known to have committed at least 20 murders between Texas and Illinois."

Perhaps the other states will try him and execute him after he gets out of his Texas prison cell, which would be after he dies. If he is already away for the rest of his life, I doubt that anyone else will expend the money to convict him again. Bitch about the prosecutor. From what you describe, Bush had no other choice.

So...of every single condemned man that comes before him, the white trash serial killer who may or may have not murdered Orange Socks but who CERTAINLY killed dozens of other women warms his heart, but people like Gary Graham, who I do NOT think was actually guilty, goes to the death chamber. It's arbitrary and stupid. Henry Lee Lucas was a sick, twisted serial killer and was one of the men on Texas's death row that deserved it the MOST...yet Bush commutes his sentence to life. At the time, I thought it REEKED...and I still do."

What possible reason could he have for commuting his sentence? The man will spend the rest of his miserable life in prison. He's not going to be contributing to any of Bush's campaigns. He certainly didn't win your affection and likely not any one else's heart. He must have seen pretty convincing evidence that the death penalty was wrong in this particular case. Didn't he also not commute the sentence of the woman that killed her husband and girlfriend when she caught them in bed together? This is the woman that 'gave her life to Jesus' while and prison. She didn't ask for leniency, but others did on her behalf. He did the right thing by letting the execution go forward. Do you remember that case? Did you agree with him then?

You need to cool off some of your emotions and look at the facts dispassionately.

"LOL... sure, keep telling yourself that."

Still not very convincing.

"I'll vote for who I want, when I want. I don't care what you think or whether you think I deserve to be here."

I'm sure that you will, but you better only do it on election day. I'm not sure that you don't care because you keep coming back. I didn't say that you didn't 'deserve' to be here. I just questioned if a conservative forum was the right place for you. You don't display many conservative traits.

"Sorry, I confused Bush's number of DUIs with Cheney's. Cheney has two. Bush has one.

Apology accepted.

"I thought this was common knowledge. Next you'll be asking me to prove that the sky is blue. This is the last time I will obtain proof for you. Next time, you will have to do your own research.

Again, you made the claim. You have to support it.

"Cheney got a union job laying power lines in the blue-collar town of Rock Springs, Wyo. He stayed in constant touch with Lynne, who was in college in Colorado; he had had to endure teasing from Plotkin for writing her almost daily from Yale. On occasion, he drank too much?a practice that led to two DUI arrests within a year. Cheney told Nicholas years later that the arrests motivated him to get his career on track." Source: http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/2002/poycheney2.html"

DUI while Cheney was in college? My God, that was 40 years ago and even your source says that it motivated him to change his life. I'd say that it did as he as been rather productive and successful since.

"Drunk drivers kill thousands of people every year. I don't consider it a minor transgression."

Stupid sober drivers kill many more. Neither Bush nor Cheney killed anyone. You're making those leaps again. Not everyone who drinks kills people. Ted Kennedy has. But not Bush or Cheney.

"I don't know that he changed his behavior. There have been lots of pictures of him drinking published since he was elected. Bush is every bit the unrepentant liar that Clinton was."

BARBRA STRIESAND! Because you see him with a glass of liquid in his hand at a dinner, you accuse him of drinking and by extension still driving drunk. You are pathological in your hatred too.

"Why don't we just throw out the whole system and have a dictatorship?"

Where did that come from? You need to talk to someone about your emotional outbursts. It's not healthy. Congress spends too much. It's a fact. If they are tied up in impeachment proceedings, then they can't spend more money. BTW, Congress is charged with that duty. It's in the Constitution. Do you need me to send you a copy?