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To: Badray
Clinton, if not the worst president ever, was at least the worst man ever to be president. My (our) anger, disgust, and yes, hatred for him was for specific and deliberate acts of personal misconduct and crimes. He trampled on the Constitution and the law. He believed himself to be above the law. He took campaign contributions from the Communist Chinese in exchange for missle technology. He should have been tried for treason. Yes, there was hatred for Clinton and good reasons for it.

Your opinion. I don't think Clinton did any better or worse than Bush or Reagan, and lying under oath about screwing an intern (in my opinion) is not the worst thing in the world, and certainly not anything to be impeached over.

Now tell me what Bush has done to merit their hatred. They don't like his policies because they believe that he is a right wing zealot. Guess what? My anger, but not hatred, stems from him being way too far to the left for my tastes.

Well, he is a bit arrogant and he has told lies...for example, do you remember that he said he signed a patient's rights bill in Texas? He never did; he refused to do so. The governor of Texas is so weak that the Texas legislature can pass a law without the governor's signature. That's fine. I just don't like that he lied about it. I also don't like the fact that he took only fifteen minutes to review the record of someone about to be executed (his predecessor usually took a couple of days) and that the only person whose sentence he commuted was a serial killer. I lived in Texas the entire time he was governor and I was not impressed; I did not support Bush in the 2000 election and would have preferred Mc Cain, who I feel is a man of principle. Bush reminds me of a fraternity boy.

As for their hatred of Bush, well...call it revenge.

Their hatred doesn't even make sense. He has given them more of what they want and they don't even know it.

That's the same thing they said about conservatives during the Clinton era.

217 posted on 12/03/2003 5:00:36 AM PST by Pedantic_Lady
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To: Pedantic_Lady
" Your opinion."

Yeah, but isn't that the only one that matters? ;-)

"I don't think Clinton did any better or worse than Bush or Reagan, and lying under oath about screwing an intern (in my opinion) is not the worst thing in the world, and certainly not anything to be impeached over."

Are you sure that you are on the right forum? In order to deny a plaintiff her day in court, the POTUS lied under oath and conspired with others to do the same. That is classic definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors." As you may know "high" refers to the office, not to the crime. And this was the least of his offenses that he SHOULD have been impeached over.

Well, he is a bit arrogant..."

So?

"...and he has told lies...for example, do you remember that he said he signed a patient's rights bill in Texas? He never did; he refused to do so. The governor of Texas is so weak that the Texas legislature can pass a law without the governor's signature. That's fine. I just don't like that he lied about it."

I'd take your word for it because you have never lied to me, but on this forum statements of 'fact' have to be backed up by evidence. Do you have a source for that other than your memory?

"I also don't like the fact that he took only fifteen minutes to review the record of someone about to be executed (his predecessor usually took a couple of days) and that the only person whose sentence he commuted was a serial killer."

You know for a 'fact' that he only thought about it for 15 minutes? And if it is fact, is that wrong? The person has been through a trial and a series of appeals. Especially in well publicized cases of heinous crimes, why do you need 'days' to decide that someone is deserving of the death penalty? Can you provide info on this 'serial killer' and the decision? I've never heard this accusation before.

"I lived in Texas the entire time he was governor and I was not impressed; I did not support Bush in the 2000 election..."

That seems quite evident. No further proof is required, but if you don't mind telling - Who did you vote for?

"and would have preferred Mc Cain, who I feel is a man of principle."

Principle? McCain? Only if you are not ascribing Republican principles to him. He is one of the most anti liberty Senators to carry the GOP label. He is a smoking nazi. He is in favor of gun control. He wrote the unconstitutional campaign finance reform law. The Democrats wanted him to run. What does that tell you about his 'principles'?

"Bush reminds me of a fraternity boy."

It's okay for clinton to get oral sex and force himself on women and lie about - AND GET DISBARRED OVER IT, and that's okay. But Bush reminds you of a 'fraternity boy'? As I said earlier, I am an established Bush basher - for his policies. Your complaints are merely sophomoric. I repeat my earlier question: Are you sure that you are on the right forum?

"As for their hatred of Bush, well...call it revenge."

Revenge? For what? For winning? Or are you one of those who don't understand the Electoral College and thinks he stole the election?

"That's the same thing they said about conservatives during the Clinton era."

Bush has the House and nominal control of the Senate and he is still giving the Dems a lot of what they want. Clinton fought Congress every step of the way and the few things that we got - Welfare Reform, for one - he promised to undo as soon as he could. Clinton didn't give the GOP anything.

225 posted on 12/03/2003 11:15:46 AM PST by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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