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The Pain of Coping When a Job Is Snatched Away
The New York Times ^ | December 1, 2003 | JILL ANDRESKY FRASER

Posted on 12/01/2003 4:31:00 PM PST by Willie Green

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THREE years ago, Susan Sullivan, then 34, and her husband, Peter, 44, were thriving. The couple, both marketing professionals, worked hard and enjoyed a combined income of about $250,000 a year.

Then, within two weeks of each other in the spring of 2001, the Sullivans lost their jobs, right about the time that she became pregnant. Unable to find work, they moved from Newton, Mass., a pricey Boston suburb, to Worcester, to cut their living expenses. With job prospects slim, they began entrepreneurial ventures: she, a marketing consulting firm, and he, a computer network security firm. Their daughter is now almost two. With combined yearly earnings of about $20,000, they have cut their spending to the bone and make ends meet with food stamps and credit cards.

"We had about $40,000 in savings, but we spent that a long time ago," Ms. Sullivan said. "Now we owe more money in credit card bills than I ever would have believed possible. We don't spend money on anything at all that isn't a complete necessity. Your whole way of thinking changes. The other day I was so excited: I got a credit card offer for a new card that will give us a long period with zero percent financing."

The Sullivans are scarcely alone. There were, on average, 8.4 million unemployed Americans in 2002. By October, according to the most current statistics from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, their ranks had grown to 8.8 million. One out of every four had been looking for a job for 27 weeks or longer, up from one out of five a year earlier.

And many who are working do so only part time. In October, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 4.8 million people were involuntarily working part time - either because they could not find full-time jobs or because their employers had put them on part-time schedules. That is up 11.6 percent, from 4.3 million a year earlier.

In recent years, the effect of widespread joblessness on consumption patterns in the United States has been tough to recognize, largely because so many people, employed as well as unemployed, have relied heavily upon credit cards, mortgage refinancings and other loans to sustain spending that might otherwise have been unaffordable.

That spending has helped cushion the economy through some rocky times. "But the big question, moving forward, is whether we'll see enough recovery in the labor market so that income growth will be able to replace all these one-time events, like tax cuts and refinancings," Jared Bernstein, senior economist with the Economic Policy Institute in Washington, said.

With recent rosy news about the economy's third quarter, it might be hoped that increased hiring will enable households to recover from the financial difficulties of unemployment. But interviews with men and women in a variety of careers, family situations and cities across the country suggest that even as jobs are filled, the personal economic pain for those who have long been unemployed will be long lasting.

Consider Quay Anderson, a 30-year-old father of three young children, who lost his job as a crane operator in February. His job, which paid $16 an hour, had been the sole source of income for his family in Carlisle, Pa. Now, after going through retraining at the Regional Manufacturing Workforce Transition Center in Steelton, Pa., Mr. Anderson is on the verge of being hired as a commercial driver. But he said that it could take as long as five years of steady employment to get his family back in the financial shape they enjoyed before he lost his job.

"We've completely maxed out on credit cards and any other credit lines we had," he said. "I had a gun collection that I sold in order to raise money for groceries." The family does not spend money on anything that is not necessary. It is upsetting "when your kids want to go to Wendy's or McDonald's and you've got to say no," he said.

"We can't take them to see 'Brother Bear' in the movies," he said, "because we can't afford four movie tickets.''

A close look at household spending suggests the multiplicity of ways, large and small, that the rise in unemployment in the past year or so has affected consumption patterns and the economy.

"We have a 6-year-old son, and, although it's not the end of the world, it would have been nice to give him music lessons, but we can't," said Ellen Ball, 44, of Brookline, Mass. "We don't eat out. We don't travel. I used to make charitable contributions in the past. Now I ask, when people call, 'Can I give you my time instead?' "

Before Ms. Ball and her 42-year-old husband, Bruce Haimowitz, lost their jobs as software engineers in 2002, they earned a combined income well into the six figures. He was out of work for about a year before landing two jobs - one part time, one full time - that between them pay him about $45,000 a year. After looking for more than a year herself, Ms. Ball expects to start work shortly at a part-time $12-an-hour job. "We can't save,'' she said. "We don't entertain at all. We're in a holding pattern."

The path out of long-term unemployment is often a part-time job or full-time work at a lower pay scale, but it is not a promising path.

"The problem is the overarching forces that have resulted in major job losses and downward income mobility are permanent," said Stephen Roach, chief economist of Morgan Stanley. "If anything, they'll intensify, as high-wage jobs in both production and the services continue to move to countries like China and India where costs are lower. That's going to keep consumers under a lot of pressure."

Not surprisingly, families with nest eggs and other savings have been best able to cope with prolonged joblessness and declining household earnings. As soon as Mr. Haimowitz found work, he and Ms. Ball, lifelong savers, were able to refinance their mortgage, which helped lower their monthly expenses.

Andrea, 45, and Will Gill, 50, actually traded up to a $450,000 home in Smithtown, N.Y., even after Mr. Gill, a computer network consultant, had been out of work for two years. Mrs. Gill, an online manager for a travel agency, has had three years of pay cuts. Their household income is now about a third of what it used to be.

"We had built up equity in our old house, have always been savers, and we didn't have any credit card debt," Mr. Gill said. "Since buying the house, we can manage just by taking about $20,000 out of our savings each year. By most people's standards, we're not hurting."

But even the Gills have cut their spending. "When our bedroom set was falling apart, we fixed it rather than buying a new one," Mrs. Gill said. During this holiday season, they expect to cut their gift-buying budget by about two-thirds.

The question for many is whether the national economy will be able to shrug off the impact of the prolonged joblessness of families like these without skipping a beat. Their spending patterns and savings cushions, after all, have remained relatively strong. But the impact on the economy may be more pronounced when it comes to those households that experienced job losses when they had little or no savings, high levels of debt, or both. For those families, financial problems have escalated, and they may pose some collective risks to the economy.

One risk arises from households that have cashed in part or all of their retirement savings to meet day-to-day expenses. "Out here, where home prices are really high, there are a lot of couples with mortgages that only can be supported on two incomes," said Dan Rink, a career coach in Alameda, Calif. "When one spouse loses a job, it's a catastrophe. I see a lot of unemployed people who are drawing down their retirement funds just in order to make their mortgage payments."

A more immediate high-risk decision among the unemployed is whether to give up health insurance. "It's more important for us to stay current with our mortgage payments," said Robert Love, 60, of Houston, who lost his job as a manager of safety and quality control about two years ago. Neither he nor his wife, Ann, 56, who works as a receptionist at a beauty salon, has health insurance. "Quite honestly, you try not to think about it," he said. "Just hope everyone stays healthy."

The need for such survival strategies raises the prospect that large numbers of tapped-out baby boomers will reach retirement unprepared. Jonathan Greentree, 51, of Columbus, Ohio, lost his public relations job in 2001. He is now working in a part-time $8-an-hour retailing job that will last only through the holiday season.

Mr. Greentree has pared his budget to essentials but says he has been unable to make more than a year's worth of child-support payments for his 15-year-old son. He owes real estate taxes on his home, has depleted his savings, spent the proceeds raised from a mortgage refinancing, tapped out a line of credit and accumulated large credit card debts.

"To be real honest, college savings have fallen by the wayside," he said. "I have very little retirement savings. It's scary. If I ever do get a job, I've got to get credit counseling because I don't know how to solve these problems."

Some people do manage to re-enter the work force and regain financial stability, but still feel anxieties. Ian Boardman, 44, of Arlington, Mass., who has a doctorate in cognitive science and experience at some dot-com start-ups, has had two different bouts of unemployment since the spring of 2001. Recently, he was hired by a research laboratory, weeks before his unemployment insurance would have run out.

"My wife is a financial whiz who has renegotiated our mortgage twice to save money," he said. "We've been able to make do on unemployment, with a little help from our parents. We're not big on consumption anyway."

But Mr. Boardman emphasized that he and his family lost their sense of security. "We are middle class," he said. "We're good people. And what does the system say to us? 'Sink or swim.' "

The biggest question for many people is: What will happen if new job opportunities are indeed created during the recovery but do not provide enough pay and benefits to repair the financial damage caused by prolonged unemployment?

That is a question facing Richie Calladio-Nuzzo; his wife, Jenni; and their 13-year-old daughter, Michelle, of Newton, Conn. Mr. Calladio-Nuzzo, 34, an electrician, used to earn at least $30 an hour, with benefits, in union-covered jobs. But he spent nine months during 2002 unemployed and still could not find work in the winter and spring of 2003.

"It was really bad," he recalled. "All last winter, we kept our house heated at 58 degrees. Early on, we maxed out on our credit cards, and we couldn't keep up with the payments we owed. I don't go to the doctor at all. But when it comes to a choice between buying medicine for my wife, who has asthma, and eyeglasses for my daughter, who needs them to see, or paying the electric bill, well, we did what we could. Fortunately, the electric company can't cut you off during the winter."

In May, Mr. Calladio-Nuzzo received permission from his union to take a nonunion job, which pays $20 an hour, and offers no benefits.

"I'm glad to be working, but let's be real," he said. "The only impact this job has had is that I no longer have to call the phone company and electric company to make special payment arrangements. Our heater is broken upstairs, and I can't afford to bring in a plumber to fix it. We still have to screen our phone calls. A collection agency will call and say, 'Make a one-time payment of $800.' And I tell them, 'Are you kidding? If I could pay you $800, wouldn't I have just paid the $100 minimum that's due?' "

From Mr. Calladio-Nuzzo's perspective, it is difficult to see any light at the end of the tunnel. "You think you'd enjoy it to know that you're not going through this alone," he said. "But when I see the guys that I've worked with, it's awful. We look at each other and say, 'It's never going to end.' "

That is just what Pam Shira Fleetman, 55, a technical writer in Acton, Mass., fears. She has been out of work since July 2002, and recently cashed in her retirement account so she could pay enough of her overdue mortgage and property tax bills to avoid losing her house. She has "huge" credit card bills. Her car is nearly nine years old. A divorced parent, she worries that next year, when her son turns 13, she will not have any money to spend on a bar mitzvah.

"When I think about all this," Ms. Fleetman said, "there's just one question I'd like to ask all those titans of industry who are laying people off and outsourcing all those jobs overseas: 'Who do you think you're going to be able to sell your products and services to here in the U.S.?' "


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To: tempe
Well put. With your attitude, you can't help but land on your feet very soon. Best of luck to you, friend, and good post!!
61 posted on 12/01/2003 5:12:29 PM PST by speedy
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To: Grampa Dave
Looks like the job creation ended with Clinton and when Bush made China a most favored trading partner. Jobs grew by 20 million 1993 - 2000 then 3 million lost jobs under Bush. Check the dates from the GOP trade commission press release. Even the liberal Clinton did better.

•Some claimed NAFTA would contribute to U.S. industrial decline and a “giant sucking sound.” But after NAFTA was passed in 1993:
 

--U.S. manufacturing output soared in the 1990s, up 44% in real terms.
--U.S. employment grew over 20 million between 1993 and 2000.
--U.S. manufacturing wages increased dramatically, with real hourly compensation up by 14.4% in the 10 years since NAFTA, more than double the 6.5% increase in the 10 years preceding NAFTA.
--Income gains and tax cuts from NAFTA were worth up to $930 each year for the average U.S. household of four.

http://ustr.gov/regions/whemisphere/ftaa2003/factsheet-myth-nafta_us.pdf

62 posted on 12/01/2003 5:15:35 PM PST by ex-snook (Americans need Balanced Trade - we buy from you, you buy from us. No free rides.)
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To: speedy
She is the only PIA in the group and her husband is a good guy who has her as his cross.

She uttered this nonsense while other where praising GW for his trip to Baghdad.

She got hammered as everyone else at the table has done very well since the Clintoons got out of the white house.

My wife was mad at me at first, and I told her that everytime this b$tch opened her mouth to bad mouth GW with bad data, it will cost her.

Needless to say when the party broke I didn't get a kiss from her. The glare was priceless. Her husband hugged me and said, "Email me the proof! I will pay and she will eventually!" I'm sure that chart will be part of their dinner conversation tonight.
63 posted on 12/01/2003 5:16:15 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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To: Willie Green; All
Forget about further employment. Simply get WizeTrade and WizeFinder software, open an account at Scottrade, then relax while you make millions in the stock market !!!

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64 posted on 12/01/2003 5:16:24 PM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: MikeWUSAF
This is actually a very positive story. It shows that at some point in their lives even two stupid people can make $250K. This story should serve as hope for all stupid people out there.
65 posted on 12/01/2003 5:17:23 PM PST by azcap
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To: Grampa Dave
Good for you. So it sounds like SHE was the one who got indigestion. My sympathies to her husband (who should be a Freeper if he isn't already). Thanks for fighting the good fight.
66 posted on 12/01/2003 5:18:23 PM PST by speedy
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To: Willie Green
In recent years, the effect of widespread joblessness on consumption patterns in the United States has been tough to recognize, largely because so many people, employed as well as unemployed, have relied heavily upon credit cards, mortgage refinancings and other loans to sustain spending that might otherwise have been unaffordable.

This is where the problem lies. Our entire economy is funded by credit card debt and other easy money loans. This has been a growing trend for quite a while (since at least Bush I, probably before) and isn't much the fault of any administration.

Eventually, maybe soon maybe not, the bills will all come due. What'll we do then?

67 posted on 12/01/2003 5:19:21 PM PST by templar
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To: templar
Eventually, maybe soon maybe not, the bills will all come due. What'll we do then?

Pay them.

68 posted on 12/01/2003 5:20:29 PM PST by Skooz (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: mountaineer
Educate myself, WG? I live right here in the Upper Ohio Valley.

Yes, educate yourself.
For somebody who lives in the region, you're embarrassingly misguided.
And if you think that cheerleading the steel industry to its death is going to bring prosperity to your community, you're extremely mistaken as well.

69 posted on 12/01/2003 5:21:29 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Grampa Dave
I'd venture those unemployment percentages are not normalized for growth in the denominator (e.g., immigration)
70 posted on 12/01/2003 5:21:36 PM PST by P.O.E.
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To: Eaker
FReeper since '98, Bush hater to the bone. You might want to make that yer tagline.

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Bush hater to the bone...

Absolutely correct. Now lets talk about the reasons for my absolute disgust instead of just name-calling like a third grader. An immigration policy that is essential an invasion over our borders subsidized by our social service system. Statements of America's obligation to "share it's wealth" with the rest of the world. A refusal to see islam for the aggressive psychosis that it is and a threat to world civilization. Ramaden dinners at the White House during a period in which Christianity is under siege by separation of church and state. An ignorance of economics. A resume that's a joke. An absence of creative or assertive thought contributing to a conservative momentum. ...and so forth.

71 posted on 12/01/2003 5:23:27 PM PST by RLK
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To: SamAdams76
BTW, if you were to work your way up to managing a Wal-Mart store (most Wal-Mart managers started at the bottom stocking shelves and whatnot), you could expect to make well into six figures. Working these jobs need not be a dead-end experience.

You can also do very, very well with McDonalds. I've know several very wealthy senior McDonalds people and McDonalds franchise owners. Cream always rises to the top (untill the milk gets homogenized, anyway)

72 posted on 12/01/2003 5:25:55 PM PST by templar
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To: Eaker
FReeper since '98, Bush hater to the bone. You might want to make that yer tagline.

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Bush hater to the bone...

Absolutely correct. Now lets talk about the reasons for my absolute disgust instead of just name-calling like a third grader. An immigration policy that is essential an invasion over our borders subsidized by our social service system. Statements of America's obligation to "share it's wealth" with the rest of the world. A refusal to see islam for the aggressive psychosis that it is and a threat to world civilization. Ramaden dinners at the White House during a period in which Christianity is under siege by separation of church and state. An ignorance of economics. A resume that's a joke. An absence of creative or assertive thought contributing to a conservative momentum. ...and so forth.

If the Clintons were back in office doing the same thing Bush is, people here would be howling to the heavens. As it is, many people come here to do nothing but defend their wrongful and wishful preconceptions about Bush.

Dear god, please come up with another Ronald Reagan instead of this stream of spoiled weaklings.

73 posted on 12/01/2003 5:26:52 PM PST by RLK
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To: tempe

Manufacturing Activity Is Highest in 20 Years

Job Growth Returns to Sector After Three Years of Decline
By MICHAEL SCHROEDER
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

WASHINGTON -- Manufacturing in November showed the most robust activity in two decades, lifting employment in the sector higher than expected.

The Institute for Supply Management, a private research firm, said Monday that its index of manufacturing activity rose to 62.8 last month from 57 in October.

Providing solid evidence of an improving manufacturing jobs picture, the ISM employment index climbed to 51 from 47.7. The last time the employment gauge was above 50 was September 2000.

Readings of at least 50 point to strong growth in the industrial sector, which has lagged behind other sectors as the economy digs out of the recession that started in 2001.

Economists had expected the industrial index would rise to 59, according to a survey by Dow Jones Newswires and CNBC.

Calling the survey results "astonishing," Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics Ltd., said the latest reading is consistent with year-over-year growth in gross domestic product of about 7%. He added that the employment survey suggests "the three-year run of industrial job losses will soon end."

Meanwhile, construction spending increased 0.9% in October as still low mortgage rates drove residential home building to unprecedented levels. Big gains were registered in public projects as federal and state governments have ramped up spending.

Overall construction spending rose to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of $922 billion, the highest level on record, from an upwardly revised $913.5 billion in September, the Commerce Department said Monday.

Private residential construction spending rose 2.2% to a record $484.1 billion, while private nonresidential construction slipped 2.1%. The decline, the steepest since a 2.3% drop last December, was driven by weakness in construction of commercial facilities, power plants and factories.

The economic reports suggest that growth is likely to continue. "Based on this data, it appears that the recovery is gaining momentum," Norbert Ore, who directs the survey for the ISM, said in a statement. "Indications are that the manufacturing sector is ending 2003 on a very positive note, and all of the indexes support continued strength into 2004."

The ISM survey's backlog-of-orders index increased to 59 in November from 53.5 a month earlier, an indication that orders exceeded production during the month.

Write to Michael Schroeder at mike.schroeder@wsj.com

Updated December 1, 2003 12:42 p.m

74 posted on 12/01/2003 5:28:05 PM PST by TaxRelief (Their pulling out their hair! God, they're so transparent.)
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To: Willie Green
cheerleading the steel industry to its death

I don't know what this is supposed to mean. I'm not cheerleading anything. I'm disgusted with the greedy steelworkers' unions, the federal government's oppressive environmental regulations and with the shoddy mismanagement of the steel companies. The only thing that's going to save this region is an influx of diverse industries. I don't see it happening, especially with the current crop of Democrat-controlled governments. Your other insults do not merit response.

75 posted on 12/01/2003 5:29:54 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: Grampa Dave
Man, did you ruin her day!
76 posted on 12/01/2003 5:30:50 PM PST by TaxRelief (Their pulling out their hair! God, they're so transparent.)
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To: speedy
If anyone is in the Northern Kentucky area, the company my husband works for is looking to hire several people. Primarily, you would need to be able to fix machines with some knowledge of electronics.

Paid training, benefits are decent, overtime available, and they'd almost kill for someone to volunteer for the graveyard shift (15% pay bonus). They're having a heck of a time finding reliable people. FReepmail me if you're interested.

77 posted on 12/01/2003 5:30:55 PM PST by Dianna
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To: RLK
Absolutely correct. Now lets talk about the reasons for my absolute disgust instead of just name-calling like a third grader.

I made a suggestion, I did not "name-call".

An immigration policy that is essential an invasion over our borders subsidized by our social service system. Statements of America's obligation to "share it's wealth" with the rest of the world. A refusal to see islam for the aggressive psychosis that it is and a threat to world civilization. Ramaden dinners at the White House during a period in which Christianity is under siege by separation of church and state.

I agree.

An ignorance of economics. A resume that's a joke. An absence of creative or assertive thought contributing to a conservative momentum. ...and so forth.

I disagree.

FReegards,
Tom Eaker

78 posted on 12/01/2003 5:31:58 PM PST by Eaker (When the SHTF, I'll go down with a cross in one hand, and a Glock in the other.)
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To: speedy
But even the Gills have cut their spending. "When our bedroom set was falling apart, we fixed it rather than buying a new one," Mrs. Gill said.

Now if only they had bought American-made, Thomasville furniture while they still could.

79 posted on 12/01/2003 5:37:13 PM PST by TaxRelief (The Dems are pulling out their hair! God, they're so transparent.)
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