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The Pain of Coping When a Job Is Snatched Away
The New York Times ^ | December 1, 2003 | JILL ANDRESKY FRASER

Posted on 12/01/2003 4:31:00 PM PST by Willie Green

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To: tempe
Well put. With your attitude, you can't help but land on your feet very soon. Best of luck to you, friend, and good post!!
61 posted on 12/01/2003 5:12:29 PM PST by speedy
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To: Grampa Dave
Looks like the job creation ended with Clinton and when Bush made China a most favored trading partner. Jobs grew by 20 million 1993 - 2000 then 3 million lost jobs under Bush. Check the dates from the GOP trade commission press release. Even the liberal Clinton did better.

•Some claimed NAFTA would contribute to U.S. industrial decline and a “giant sucking sound.” But after NAFTA was passed in 1993:
 

--U.S. manufacturing output soared in the 1990s, up 44% in real terms.
--U.S. employment grew over 20 million between 1993 and 2000.
--U.S. manufacturing wages increased dramatically, with real hourly compensation up by 14.4% in the 10 years since NAFTA, more than double the 6.5% increase in the 10 years preceding NAFTA.
--Income gains and tax cuts from NAFTA were worth up to $930 each year for the average U.S. household of four.

http://ustr.gov/regions/whemisphere/ftaa2003/factsheet-myth-nafta_us.pdf

62 posted on 12/01/2003 5:15:35 PM PST by ex-snook (Americans need Balanced Trade - we buy from you, you buy from us. No free rides.)
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To: speedy
She is the only PIA in the group and her husband is a good guy who has her as his cross.

She uttered this nonsense while other where praising GW for his trip to Baghdad.

She got hammered as everyone else at the table has done very well since the Clintoons got out of the white house.

My wife was mad at me at first, and I told her that everytime this b$tch opened her mouth to bad mouth GW with bad data, it will cost her.

Needless to say when the party broke I didn't get a kiss from her. The glare was priceless. Her husband hugged me and said, "Email me the proof! I will pay and she will eventually!" I'm sure that chart will be part of their dinner conversation tonight.
63 posted on 12/01/2003 5:16:15 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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To: Willie Green; All
Forget about further employment. Simply get WizeTrade and WizeFinder software, open an account at Scottrade, then relax while you make millions in the stock market !!!

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64 posted on 12/01/2003 5:16:24 PM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: MikeWUSAF
This is actually a very positive story. It shows that at some point in their lives even two stupid people can make $250K. This story should serve as hope for all stupid people out there.
65 posted on 12/01/2003 5:17:23 PM PST by azcap
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To: Grampa Dave
Good for you. So it sounds like SHE was the one who got indigestion. My sympathies to her husband (who should be a Freeper if he isn't already). Thanks for fighting the good fight.
66 posted on 12/01/2003 5:18:23 PM PST by speedy
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To: Willie Green
In recent years, the effect of widespread joblessness on consumption patterns in the United States has been tough to recognize, largely because so many people, employed as well as unemployed, have relied heavily upon credit cards, mortgage refinancings and other loans to sustain spending that might otherwise have been unaffordable.

This is where the problem lies. Our entire economy is funded by credit card debt and other easy money loans. This has been a growing trend for quite a while (since at least Bush I, probably before) and isn't much the fault of any administration.

Eventually, maybe soon maybe not, the bills will all come due. What'll we do then?

67 posted on 12/01/2003 5:19:21 PM PST by templar
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To: templar
Eventually, maybe soon maybe not, the bills will all come due. What'll we do then?

Pay them.

68 posted on 12/01/2003 5:20:29 PM PST by Skooz (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: mountaineer
Educate myself, WG? I live right here in the Upper Ohio Valley.

Yes, educate yourself.
For somebody who lives in the region, you're embarrassingly misguided.
And if you think that cheerleading the steel industry to its death is going to bring prosperity to your community, you're extremely mistaken as well.

69 posted on 12/01/2003 5:21:29 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Grampa Dave
I'd venture those unemployment percentages are not normalized for growth in the denominator (e.g., immigration)
70 posted on 12/01/2003 5:21:36 PM PST by P.O.E.
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To: Eaker
FReeper since '98, Bush hater to the bone. You might want to make that yer tagline.

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Bush hater to the bone...

Absolutely correct. Now lets talk about the reasons for my absolute disgust instead of just name-calling like a third grader. An immigration policy that is essential an invasion over our borders subsidized by our social service system. Statements of America's obligation to "share it's wealth" with the rest of the world. A refusal to see islam for the aggressive psychosis that it is and a threat to world civilization. Ramaden dinners at the White House during a period in which Christianity is under siege by separation of church and state. An ignorance of economics. A resume that's a joke. An absence of creative or assertive thought contributing to a conservative momentum. ...and so forth.

71 posted on 12/01/2003 5:23:27 PM PST by RLK
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To: SamAdams76
BTW, if you were to work your way up to managing a Wal-Mart store (most Wal-Mart managers started at the bottom stocking shelves and whatnot), you could expect to make well into six figures. Working these jobs need not be a dead-end experience.

You can also do very, very well with McDonalds. I've know several very wealthy senior McDonalds people and McDonalds franchise owners. Cream always rises to the top (untill the milk gets homogenized, anyway)

72 posted on 12/01/2003 5:25:55 PM PST by templar
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To: Eaker
FReeper since '98, Bush hater to the bone. You might want to make that yer tagline.

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Bush hater to the bone...

Absolutely correct. Now lets talk about the reasons for my absolute disgust instead of just name-calling like a third grader. An immigration policy that is essential an invasion over our borders subsidized by our social service system. Statements of America's obligation to "share it's wealth" with the rest of the world. A refusal to see islam for the aggressive psychosis that it is and a threat to world civilization. Ramaden dinners at the White House during a period in which Christianity is under siege by separation of church and state. An ignorance of economics. A resume that's a joke. An absence of creative or assertive thought contributing to a conservative momentum. ...and so forth.

If the Clintons were back in office doing the same thing Bush is, people here would be howling to the heavens. As it is, many people come here to do nothing but defend their wrongful and wishful preconceptions about Bush.

Dear god, please come up with another Ronald Reagan instead of this stream of spoiled weaklings.

73 posted on 12/01/2003 5:26:52 PM PST by RLK
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To: tempe

Manufacturing Activity Is Highest in 20 Years

Job Growth Returns to Sector After Three Years of Decline
By MICHAEL SCHROEDER
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

WASHINGTON -- Manufacturing in November showed the most robust activity in two decades, lifting employment in the sector higher than expected.

The Institute for Supply Management, a private research firm, said Monday that its index of manufacturing activity rose to 62.8 last month from 57 in October.

Providing solid evidence of an improving manufacturing jobs picture, the ISM employment index climbed to 51 from 47.7. The last time the employment gauge was above 50 was September 2000.

Readings of at least 50 point to strong growth in the industrial sector, which has lagged behind other sectors as the economy digs out of the recession that started in 2001.

Economists had expected the industrial index would rise to 59, according to a survey by Dow Jones Newswires and CNBC.

Calling the survey results "astonishing," Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics Ltd., said the latest reading is consistent with year-over-year growth in gross domestic product of about 7%. He added that the employment survey suggests "the three-year run of industrial job losses will soon end."

Meanwhile, construction spending increased 0.9% in October as still low mortgage rates drove residential home building to unprecedented levels. Big gains were registered in public projects as federal and state governments have ramped up spending.

Overall construction spending rose to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of $922 billion, the highest level on record, from an upwardly revised $913.5 billion in September, the Commerce Department said Monday.

Private residential construction spending rose 2.2% to a record $484.1 billion, while private nonresidential construction slipped 2.1%. The decline, the steepest since a 2.3% drop last December, was driven by weakness in construction of commercial facilities, power plants and factories.

The economic reports suggest that growth is likely to continue. "Based on this data, it appears that the recovery is gaining momentum," Norbert Ore, who directs the survey for the ISM, said in a statement. "Indications are that the manufacturing sector is ending 2003 on a very positive note, and all of the indexes support continued strength into 2004."

The ISM survey's backlog-of-orders index increased to 59 in November from 53.5 a month earlier, an indication that orders exceeded production during the month.

Write to Michael Schroeder at mike.schroeder@wsj.com

Updated December 1, 2003 12:42 p.m

74 posted on 12/01/2003 5:28:05 PM PST by TaxRelief (Their pulling out their hair! God, they're so transparent.)
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To: Willie Green
cheerleading the steel industry to its death

I don't know what this is supposed to mean. I'm not cheerleading anything. I'm disgusted with the greedy steelworkers' unions, the federal government's oppressive environmental regulations and with the shoddy mismanagement of the steel companies. The only thing that's going to save this region is an influx of diverse industries. I don't see it happening, especially with the current crop of Democrat-controlled governments. Your other insults do not merit response.

75 posted on 12/01/2003 5:29:54 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: Grampa Dave
Man, did you ruin her day!
76 posted on 12/01/2003 5:30:50 PM PST by TaxRelief (Their pulling out their hair! God, they're so transparent.)
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To: speedy
If anyone is in the Northern Kentucky area, the company my husband works for is looking to hire several people. Primarily, you would need to be able to fix machines with some knowledge of electronics.

Paid training, benefits are decent, overtime available, and they'd almost kill for someone to volunteer for the graveyard shift (15% pay bonus). They're having a heck of a time finding reliable people. FReepmail me if you're interested.

77 posted on 12/01/2003 5:30:55 PM PST by Dianna
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To: RLK
Absolutely correct. Now lets talk about the reasons for my absolute disgust instead of just name-calling like a third grader.

I made a suggestion, I did not "name-call".

An immigration policy that is essential an invasion over our borders subsidized by our social service system. Statements of America's obligation to "share it's wealth" with the rest of the world. A refusal to see islam for the aggressive psychosis that it is and a threat to world civilization. Ramaden dinners at the White House during a period in which Christianity is under siege by separation of church and state.

I agree.

An ignorance of economics. A resume that's a joke. An absence of creative or assertive thought contributing to a conservative momentum. ...and so forth.

I disagree.

FReegards,
Tom Eaker

78 posted on 12/01/2003 5:31:58 PM PST by Eaker (When the SHTF, I'll go down with a cross in one hand, and a Glock in the other.)
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To: speedy
But even the Gills have cut their spending. "When our bedroom set was falling apart, we fixed it rather than buying a new one," Mrs. Gill said.

Now if only they had bought American-made, Thomasville furniture while they still could.

79 posted on 12/01/2003 5:37:13 PM PST by TaxRelief (The Dems are pulling out their hair! God, they're so transparent.)
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