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Rising deaths stir new debate over helmet laws
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 12/01/03 | Joseph A. Gambardello

Posted on 12/01/2003 7:38:02 AM PST by Holly_P

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To: doxteve
But why not have a law stating that if a rider wears a helmet and is injured insurance will cover him. If not the state and insurance companies are off the hook. Let the bikers form a mutual insurance company to give life long care to an injured biker. If the biker has no insurance, wears no helmet, then he's on his own.

BTTT so everyone will read your comments! If we didn't have socialized medicine, this wouldn't be a public issue at all. People should make their own decisions about their own safety IF they, not the public, are responsible for the financial consequences.

21 posted on 12/01/2003 8:33:31 AM PST by Tax-chick (It's hard to see the rainbow through glasses dark as these.)
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To: Onelifetogive; Holly_P
(Or is it suicycle?)

my neighbor lost his 45 yr old brother this summer in FLA. No helmet.

He was motoring down the street on his harley - his street- and his next door neighbor didnt see him and backed up, right into him.

Fortunately, a Church was nearby and the Pastor held him in his last moments of consciousness.

Once in the hospital - he was sustained (though brain dead). His elderly parents and his brother (my neighbor) then had the difficult task of pulling the plug thrust upon them. It was a second death of sorts - Imagine your own child, dying twice. His Father nearly died as well from the stress

I still dont see how you could derive a humorous response from that......

22 posted on 12/01/2003 8:36:44 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Holly_P
Not wearing a helmet does not cause an accident," said Lawless, ABATE-Louisiana's vice president. "And just because you have a helmet on does not mean you're going to survive an accident."

Exactly the sort of non-logic I would expect from an anti-helmet idiot.

23 posted on 12/01/2003 8:38:14 AM PST by WackyKat
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To: friendly
The problem is that the low lifes on hogs are always demanding their welfare.

Motorcyclists are just as likely to be privately insured as any other road user. As a matter of fact, motorcyclists are slightly LESS dependent upon public funds to pay their hospital bills than the general public. A Harborview Medical Center study reported that 63.4% of the injured motorcyclists in the trauma center relied on public funds while 67% of the general patient population relied on public dollars during the same time period. A study by the University of North Carolina's Highway Safety Research Center reported that 49.5% of injured motorcyclists had their medical costs covered by insurance, while 50.4% of the other road trauma victims were similarly insured. This analysis refutes any suggestions that motorcyclists disproportionately rely on public health-care funds to pay for their hospitalization. Take into account that less than 6/10ths of one percent of crash-involved vehicles are motorcycles, a very small number to begin with.

24 posted on 12/01/2003 8:41:19 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: Holly_P
I always thought that a person who didn't think their head was worth the cost of a good helmet was probably right.
25 posted on 12/01/2003 8:42:16 AM PST by tje (There is nothing more serious than pleasure.)
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To: Revelation 911
I still dont see how you could derive a humorous response from that......

humor???

I see it as making a point...

I have heard that in Emergency Rooms, motorcycles are refered to as "Donorcycles."

Riding them in traffic is dangerous...

During my 20 years of driving, I have been "hit" by other cars at least three times. None have caused even the slightest injury. Any could have been fatal on a motorcycle.

Riding a motorcycle is dangerous. Riding without a helment is suicide!

That said, I fully support people's rights to do it. I just wish the government wouldn't make ME pay for the consequences of their decision.

26 posted on 12/01/2003 8:47:31 AM PST by Onelifetogive
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To: Revelation 911
My wife lost a close friend two years ago from head injuries sustained in an accident. He was not wearing a helmet.

He was driving a pickup truck that collided with a minivan.
27 posted on 12/01/2003 8:49:50 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: Holly_P
Ah, of course. Rode MC's for 24 years and always had my "do-rag" on. Called'em bandanas. I'm old now...very old and broken.

FMCDH

28 posted on 12/01/2003 8:51:31 AM PST by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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"Government ought not tell us what we can do to protect ourselves," he said. "We should have enough sense to protect ourselves."

The Government ought not — but they will — tell us what we can do....

We should — but we don't always — have enough sense to protect....

29 posted on 12/01/2003 8:54:58 AM PST by Consort
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To: Onelifetogive
Please explain how the government makes YOU pay for the consequences of a motorcyclist's decision to not wear a helmet.
30 posted on 12/01/2003 8:55:48 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: joesnuffy
Helmets cause accidents...you can be more aware of what is going on around you without one and hence avoid accidents..

Not true for me (I've been riding for 25 years). Without a helmet I'm more aware of the noise that wind makes rushing past my ears and I'm more aware of the bugs and rocks that hit me in the face. Other than those two things I'm more aware of everything else with afull face helmet on.

That being said, there should not be a law requiring helmets. If some idiot wants to splat his/her brains on the concrete that's fine with me.

I think the "study" that found that $103 million taxpayers dollars was spent on 119 people in motorcycle accidents is a bunch of crap. No way roughly one million govt. dollars was spent on each person. The only way this is true would be if they counted 100 govt. HUD workers (do nothing so must be assigned somewhere) on the payroll for each accident.

More nanny-state govt. at work...

31 posted on 12/01/2003 8:55:52 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: joesnuffy
I agree with your #2, Joe.
32 posted on 12/01/2003 8:56:06 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: nothingnew
'bout the same amount of experiece for me, too. Lots of very close calls.
34 posted on 12/01/2003 8:57:54 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: BraveMan
Please explain how the government makes YOU pay for the consequences of a motorcyclist's decision to not wear a helmet.

From the original story:

The study calculated that those casualties cost the citizens of Louisiana $102 million.

Medicare...Medicaid...Social Security (to people who never paid in.)

35 posted on 12/01/2003 8:59:39 AM PST by Onelifetogive
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To: friendly
My brother was killed in September in a motorcycle accident. He wasn't wearing a helmet but his injuries were such that it wouldn't have saved him anyway.

I would prefer that bikers wear helmets but it's their choice.

And where the hell do you get off calling bikers low lifes who demand welfare? Most bikers I know are fiercely independent and don't want squat in gov't handouts.

My brother was a Christian and worked 2 jobs. He was also a Vietnam vet. He wasn't any kind of low life and neither are his friends who bike. They're regular working people who just happen to enjoy motorcycles.

36 posted on 12/01/2003 9:02:21 AM PST by NEPA
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To: BraveMan
He was driving a pickup truck that collided with a minivan.

my condolences

....I also see the game youre playing -

squished ego's aside, I find most of the whiners, young, ignorant and blind to the fact the will be experiencing road rash at least once in thier experiences....a majority would walk away from it if they wore a helmet

Why do I need to subsidize some rice burning rockets insurance coverage by participating in the same risk pool ?

37 posted on 12/01/2003 9:05:00 AM PST by Revelation 911 ('74 MT-250 Elsinore, '75 XL-125, '84 Sporty, 0 broken bones, 1 broken helmet, 1 road rash)
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To: NEPA
sorry to hear of your loss
38 posted on 12/01/2003 9:06:13 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: CalvaryJohn
If you choose to not wear a helmet, however, you are just being foolish.

Those who make statements like this are naive. I had a wreck 7 months ago at 35-40 mph. I was NOT wearing a helmet and was glad that I hadn't been. My head was one of the first things on my body to make contact with the road. As it was, my legs got chewed up a bit and I walked out of the hospital on my own 3 hours after the accident. Not one of the doctors there could believe it. If I'd been wearing a helmet, I'd be dead or paralyzed. When the proposition is 50/50 at best, people should decide their own fate. If there'd been a helmet law in Indiana at the time of my wreck - the likely hood is I would be dead as a result of law - not as a result of the accident. And that is immoral.

39 posted on 12/01/2003 9:06:26 AM PST by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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