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To: tortoise
Armor is always in development.
And reducing armor to nothing, as in the Stryker, is moronic and bordering on dereliction of duty.

Stryker's armor isn't effective enough to stop bullets.
And if it won't do that, then definately it won't stop shrapnel.
Also, if it takes 6 weeks to make this supposedly faster unit war ready, then why have it at all since a heavy brigade with MORE MANUEVERABLE tracked vehicles can be on hand in the same amount of time.
Wheels are a liability in rolling terrain.
And Stryker is unstable like a drunken Ted Kennedy on said terrain.
35 posted on 11/29/2003 10:05:41 AM PST by Darksheare (Even as we speak, my 100,000 killer wombat army marches forth)
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To: Darksheare
Canada having limited funds chose 6 and 8 wheeled LAV's tied to the many U.N./NATO operations has been a positive move as contribution and operation performance goes.

Canada will spend $500 million on 60 Strykers to complement her LAV III's.
Canadian Coyote

For Canada the plus is the 105 mm tube on Stryker..which see's ordinance match the New Leopard C2 MBT.

Some question the *punch of the 105mm....Israel played around with their 105 munitions in the 70's which was standard to the Centurions,M-48's and M-60's.
The Israeli 105mm round was able to wollop like a 120mm and had outstanding distance range coupled to their then fire control systems.
Israel stayed with the 105 in their first and second gen Merkava MBT's.
The 105mm is still a powerfull weapon..coupled with over the Horizon targeting as discussed in this thread.

Leopard C2 Armor upgrade


51 posted on 11/29/2003 11:13:44 AM PST by Light Speed
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To: Darksheare
And reducing armor to nothing, as in the Stryker, is moronic and bordering on dereliction of duty.

I wasn't commenting on the Stryker, only on the fact that the next generation of anti-armor weapons breach the physical limits of molecular materials and therefore can't be shielded against for any practical purpose. Armor development is over for now.

That said, I will generally agree that the Stryker is a suboptimal platform. Heavy armor is no substitute for the Stryker, but there are a lot of things about it that could have been better designed. The issue of heavy armor and the design of the Stryker are independent issues that are being improperly conflated.

52 posted on 11/29/2003 11:15:40 AM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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