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Robbins' 'Embedded' Play Not So Realistic (HOLLYWEIRD BARF ALERT!!!!!)
Fox News Channel ^ | 28 November 2003 | By William LaJeunesse

Posted on 11/28/2003 9:01:19 PM PST by txradioguy

LOS ANGELES — Embedded journalists brought the Iraq war live into America's living rooms.

But now, actor and anti-war activist Tim Robbins has written and directed a play depicting his version of what he thinks happened in Iraq.

Robbins, an ardent critic of President Bush, as well as the war, isn't a journalist, nor is he a soldier who has been to Iraq. In fact, he's never been embedded with the troops.

But his play, "Embedded," profiles the journalists who traveled with and reported on U.S. soldiers in Iraq and features the president's war cabinet. It was written in Los Angeles and produced in Hollywood.

Robbins portrays journalists as Pentagon puppets, U.S. soldiers as thieves and killers of innocent women and children, and the Bush cabinet as war mongers willing to start a war to escape the negative publicity of the Enron scandal.

In production less than a month, the play received not one, but two glowing reviews from the Los Angeles Times. Robbins' audience appears to accept his version of the war as the gospel truth.

"It is not propaganda. It is a voice of dissent, which is different than propaganda," said audience member Kadina Dayal-Halday.

When Laura Israel, another audience member, was asked if she thought the play was accurate, she replied: "Yes, not only on what is going on there, but it also showed how we are being lied to by all the networks."

One person who wasn't convinced by the portrayals was Marine Maj. Rich Doherty.

"It was spun to make it look like that leadership started this war simply for its own political agenda … and that can't be further from the truth," Doherty said.

Doherty, who has a Ph.D. from Berkeley, fought in Iraq and worked alongside several embedded journalists. After the show, which Fox News was not allowed to tape, Doherty discussed the performance with some of the audience and cast members.

"You're not on the ground, there is no historical, no empirical evidence to say...that what you're believing or saying politically (is true)," Doherty said.

"With all due respect sir, a lot of people in this country feel this administration went to this war with an agenda of their own and this play resonates with a lot of people who come to see it," countered V.J. Foster, an actor who plays the character of Col. Hardchannel in the play.

"That is your opinion based on what you saw in the newspaper," Doherty shot back. "I'm giving you an opinion based on what I saw with my boots on the ground and in the sand."

In the play, Hardchannel calls reporters "his bitches" and says that if he doesn't like what they write, he'll write it himself and simply use their names. He also censors all reports coming out of Iraq. Fox News journalists embedded with the troops, as well as other journalists interviewed for this story, said they never experienced any kind of censorship. Reporters were only told that they could not reveal operation details that might threaten the safety of U.S. troops -- a condition the Pentagon put on the embedded journalist program.

In reality, no one from the military or the government looked at copy produced by Fox News, touched the videotape, or edited scenes, and no one told reporters what to say.

"Not everything is factual, and maybe that is our fault through satire," added another "Embedded" actor, Kirk Pynchon, who plays a journalist. "Sometimes we make those errors, but it's the same kind of laughter that one gets watching an episode of MASH."

But most people, particularly journalists who actually were embedded with the troops overseas, will argue that Operation Iraqi Freedom was nothing like MASH.

"That demeans the Marines that were killed in my battalion, (to say they) died because five guys in a room thought it was fun to go create a war," Doherty said. "That is bad, bad theater, bad taste."

Robbins had declined to discuss "Embedded" with Fox News until after someone from the channel saw the play. But even after the viewing, Robbins declined interviews.

As in any work of fiction, playwright Robbins was free to invent his own reality of what led to the war in Iraq and what happened there. But for the men and women who served and for those reporters who actually covered them, "Embedded" -- while entertaining -- is far from the truth.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; War on Terror
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What a load of manure. But I expect nothing less from Tim Robbins.
1 posted on 11/28/2003 9:01:20 PM PST by txradioguy
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To: txradioguy
Robbins is so out of touch and so filled with anger and hate for Bush..
As Robert Byrd would say: "Nasty, Nasty, Nasty"
My bother has been in LA for many years and works on a popular TV show...he tells me he hears left-wing garbage all day...he does not say a peep....it would be real trouble in LaLA Land...I send him good headlines and editorials from the NY Post and email great photos from FR...
2 posted on 11/28/2003 9:10:03 PM PST by LibertyLight (Grateful for Free Rebublic)
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To: txradioguy
Marine Maj. Rich Doherty

A man fighting the good fight on the homefront. Kudos, sir!

3 posted on 11/28/2003 9:12:21 PM PST by JennysCool
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To: txradioguy; hellinahandcart; Lil'freeper; NYC GOP Chick; EastgateBlonde
V.J. Foster is a metrosexual.
4 posted on 11/28/2003 9:13:24 PM PST by sauropod (I believe Tawana! Sharpton for Prez!)
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To: txradioguy
FOX has been covering this today. They call it propaganda, because people were there to check out it's truthfulness. They found none. It's just a facist left wing hit piece.
5 posted on 11/28/2003 9:14:38 PM PST by concerned about politics ( "Satire". It's Just "Satire.".......So it is.)
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To: txradioguy; Doctor Raoul; BillF; FreeTheHostages
Tim Robbins is a pansy. He can't take criticism. Didn't you see his "display" at the National Press Club earlier this year?
6 posted on 11/28/2003 9:15:22 PM PST by sauropod (I believe Tawana! Sharpton for Prez!)
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To: txradioguy
"What a load of manure."

That goes ditto for me too!
7 posted on 11/28/2003 9:19:07 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: txradioguy
I thought the Chill Winds of Censorship were blowing Robbins off the stage? No? There must be SOME conspiracy by the feds here somewhere....
8 posted on 11/28/2003 9:19:52 PM PST by lorrainer (EVERYBODY thinks I'm paranoid!)
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To: lorrainer
It's a play for local consumption. It got two glowing reviews from the Los Angeles Times. That is a chill wind in itself, this will not make Movie of the Week. The fact that Timmy is scoping his audience to an "LA few" is hilarious.
9 posted on 11/28/2003 9:29:22 PM PST by Yukon Righteous
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To: sauropod
Right. Robbins at Nat Press Club talks about the chill wind that's intimidating people (he's so intimidated, he writes and puts on a play) and it turns out that the terrible intimidating force is criticism.

Nobody is threatening his arrest, beating him up, threatening his fans, or threatening to have the IRS audit him (ala Clinton's IRS auditing Elizabeth Ward Grace, Kathleen Willey, the woman who asked Gore about rape of Juanita Broadrick, and numerous others).
10 posted on 11/28/2003 9:40:53 PM PST by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: Yukon Righteous
It's a play for local consumption.

So, you're telling me this won't fly in flyover country? *snarf*

I wonder if Susan Saringas is going to play Hotlips when his series comes out. *smirk*

11 posted on 11/28/2003 9:59:41 PM PST by lorrainer (EVERYBODY thinks I'm paranoid!)
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To: txradioguy
Robbins and his audience have their headquarters firmly embedded in their hindquarters.
12 posted on 11/28/2003 10:20:13 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Proud member - Neoconservative Power Vortex)
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To: txradioguy
..Robbins, an ardent critic of President Bush, as well as the war, isn't a journalist, nor is he a soldier who has been to Iraq...

Girly man Robbins, a soldier in Iraq? What a mental picture that brings forth. Robbins, every pocket of his fatigues stuffed with white flags, practising over and over in Arabic: "use me like you use your goats, but please don't hurt me."

13 posted on 11/28/2003 11:19:15 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
We should fund a playwright: Tim Robbins, Susan, et al involved in molesting children at Micheal Jackson's ranch.

We'll call it a "satire" of the Hollywood elite.
14 posted on 11/28/2003 11:43:18 PM PST by Fenris6
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To: txradioguy
"It is not propaganda. It is a voice of dissent, which is different than propaganda," said audience member Kadina Dayal-Halday..

Ms Kadinadayalhalday..
DEF: "Propaganda theorists maintain that the term has a value-neutral definition. Propaganda, simply put, is mass-communicated, persuasion: it is a cousin of the term "rhetoric," non-mass-communicated persuasive discourse."

I would maintain that the play, a dissenting opinion, coupled with mass media advertisement and coverage thereof, becomes propaganda.

15 posted on 11/29/2003 1:12:09 AM PST by Indie
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To: txradioguy
Search is your friend:

Robbins' 'Embedded' Play Not So Realistic

16 posted on 11/29/2003 4:20:46 AM PST by Two_Sheds
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To: sauropod
V.J. Foster is a metrosexual.

You're being too kind. ;D

17 posted on 11/29/2003 4:22:19 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: txradioguy
"Not everything is factual, and maybe that is our fault through satire," added another "Embedded" actor, Kirk Pynchon, who plays a journalist. "Sometimes we make those errors, but it's the same kind of laughter that one gets watching an episode of MASH."

Actually, MASH was anti War but showed how good people tried to cope with war via black humor.

The reason it was successful is that it was based on a true experience-- the original MASH was written by a very conservative doctor who later practiced in Maine...

Even the liberal tv show which was anti war did not make it propaganda...because the soldiers were painted as good guys, even most of the officers...

The black humor of MASH was the black humor of the emergency room and the ICU....families might think it crass but we care, and use black humor to keep sane in a terrible environment...it's in a vein of medical humor such as the novel "house of God" based on boston's Beth Israel hospital, or even that TV series St. Elsewhere...

Robbins, however, is writing propaganda. HE HAS NEVER BEEN TO WAR. So it is based on imagination.

Great novelists can do this if they do good research with those who were there, or with wide reading of what those who were there wrote. But cheap novelists just use a historical background to put their own ideas into it...and they are quickly discarded for the trash they actually are....

Robbins' play has no basis in truth, so will fade

Personally, I'm waiting for "devil dog diaries" from the usually liberal National Geographic to come out on DVD...now THAT made me cry. And the liberal National Geographic wouldn't kowtow to pc correctness, since they hate GWB 's environmental policies...

18 posted on 11/29/2003 4:50:09 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: sauropod
Tim Robbins is what liberal feminist women love;a girly man.
He could'nt bench press 100lbs. but he's got a big mouth.

19 posted on 11/29/2003 5:31:13 AM PST by ChiMark
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To: ChiMark; Lil'freeper; hellinahandcart; NYC GOP Chick
He needs to be taken down a notch or six.

Rhetorical Question: Who do you think wears the pants in the Robbins-Sarandon relationship? ;-)

20 posted on 11/29/2003 5:33:28 AM PST by sauropod (I believe Tawana! Sharpton for Prez!)
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