Proof exists (that greenhouse does not), but believers would rather denounce than debate

http://www.eco.freedom.org ^ | Friday,November 28,2003 | By Lorne Gunter

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

Proof exists (that greenhouse does not), but believers would rather denounce than debate

By Lorne Gunter

Too many scientists have based their research, their reputations, and their incomes on the greenhouse theory to let it go now.

So, rather than debate the growing evidence that the greenhouse theory is fundamentally flawed, many greenhouse-believing scientists have begun viciously attacking those who question its conclusions and denouncing any agnostic as a heretic - especially ones presenting uncomfortably challenging proof.

Witness Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. Both are noted solar physicists. Earlier this year, they published an exhaustive study of the climate of the past 1,000 years or so in the journal Climate Research. They examined more studies on historic climate trends - 240 in all - than any previous researchers, and concluded the 20th century was not unusually warm. In the past millennium there had been at least one other period when, worldwide, temperatures were as much as 2 - 3 degrees Celsius warmer than the 1990s.

This was not a particularly startling conclusion. There have been literally thousands of papers written by geologists identifying a Medieval Warm Period running from about 800 to 1300 AD, and a Little Ice Age spanning 1300 to about 1850. Soon and Baliunas merely confirmed that these thousands of earlier studies were right.

But Soon and Baliunas were both vehemently attacked. Myths were spread that they had cooked their findings (as good scientists do, they acknowledged in their article the very limitations in their results that have been used to try to discredit them). Three junior editors at the journal that published their study resigned, claiming embarrassment that their employer published shoddy research. Then, the controversy sucked down the editor-in-chief.

However, when an independent review was conducted of the Soon/Baliunas article, no misrepresentation was found, nor any shortcomings with Climate Research's peer-review process. (These latter facts are often left out of news stories on the controversy, though.)

[King Prout]

ah... an explanation for the 30yr warming trend... on Mars.

[King Prout]

I'd like to see those models tested.
In reverse.
I'd like to see if they can extrapolate from accurate current pollution and climate data using -deltaT and "predict" what the weather was KNOWN to be like 50, 100, 150, and 200 years ago.
If they cannot do that - and I suspect they in fact can NOT do that - then the models are full of used food.

[edwin hubble]

re:#10 "ah... an explanation for the 30yr warming trend... on Mars."

Yes. Solar (sunspot) activity tracks very well with Earth's global surface temperatures. From Maunder Minimum forward.

And, yes, it would probably work much the same for Mars.

This research is about the effects of solar activity (not the effects of atmospheric composition) on Earth's global temperatures.

[King Prout]

well, I kinda figured that if at least THREE rocky-surfaced and atmosphere-cloaked bodies in the same solar system (Earth, Mars, and one of the moons of either Jupiter or Saturn - sheck the NASA/JPL website, the data is buried, but there nonetheless) all experienced a 2-3 degree F mean global temp rise in the same 30 year period... the Sun must be kicking out a tad more juice.
The enviroweenies don't like it when you bring up Martian Global Warming - it bums their vibe.

[7MMmag]

correction for my post #11; That would be Planck time, not
"plank" time, as i spelled it. I'm not suggesting they
be made to walk the plank, hehehe... For some glimmer of what Planck time, here's one link,
that still doesn't fully explain it, but then again
The tiniest time period imaginable? not even those who understand, and can use or apply quantum physics really know what the heck it is, anyway! According to related theory, this Planck business can be applied to what they call "virtual particles", which are "there", then not. Like a light randomly flashing on, but not off, just more like the bulb itself ceases to exist, at least at that one place, anyway... So I would like it if these global warming, it's gotta be all our fault crowd, would make like one of those particles.

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