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ISLAM AND SLAVERY: THE CONCEALED TRUTH Excerpts from a Lecture by Srdja Trifkovic
Chronicles Magazine ^ | 11/24/2003 | Srdja Trifkovic

Posted on 11/28/2003 3:23:47 PM PST by Burkeman1

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To: Peelod
Oh- I thought that was your position! Sorry. Put "quotes" around that next time.
41 posted on 11/29/2003 11:03:41 PM PST by Burkeman1 ((If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.))
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To: Wonder Warthog
Yeah, I doubt the average Black Muslim - indoctrinated with a more revisionist version of history - would believe the truth. But it sure is ironic.
42 posted on 11/29/2003 11:17:01 PM PST by Let's Roll (We pray that our brave troops are protected, guided and ENCOURAGED in their fight against evil.)
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To: andak01
any islamic country, such as Iran, that lives under islamic law. I'm not a religious scholar but the way I understand the Qua ran to read is that it is perfectly ok to take the "infidel" as a slave because we are less than human if we are not disciples of the prophet.
43 posted on 11/30/2003 1:03:29 AM PST by temijin
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To: andak01
I read your links. And the stories are known. However, the writer is pointing out that it is HYPOCRITICAL to be blaming Europeans only for slave trade as the basis for reparations. What part of that don't you understand?

And while I have no doubt that abuses take place in the U.S. and all other countries of the world I still don't think there are active markets in the U.S. where people are still bought and sold as easily as a loaf of bread as exists in some ME countries.

Let me put it another way; while slavery or trafficking in slaves is condemned and outlawed in the U.S. and other western countries, the practice still seems to be thriving and a blind eye turned toward it in Africa and parts of the ME.

If you think that pointing that out to you means that I hate Muslims then you are no better than Al Sharpton or any of the other race warlords.
47 posted on 11/30/2003 6:06:36 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (There is nothing Democratic about the Democrat party.)
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To: Burkeman1
The Kuran, by contrast, not only assumes the existence of slavery as a permanent fact of life, but regulates its practice in considerable detail and therefore endows it with divine sanction. Muhammad and his companions owned slaves, or acquired them in war. Muhammad’s scripture recognizes the basic inequality between master and slave, and the rights of the former over the latter (Kuran, 16:71; 30:28). The Kuran assures the Muslim the right to own slaves (to “possess their necks”) either by purchasing them or as bounty of war (58:3). Its author, Muhammad, had dozens of them, both male and female, and he regularly sold, purchased, hired, rented, and exchanged slaves once he became independently wealthy in Medina after the confiscation of Jewish property. The bounties are lawful to the Muslim, theologian ibn Timiyya wrote, and slavery is justified: “It is lawful to kill the infidel or to enslave him, and it also makes it lawful to take his offspring into captivity” (Ibn Timiyya says,Vol. 32, p. 89). In line with the racist views of Muhammad about his own people, the Arabs, as “the nobles of all races,” they were exempt from enslavement (Ibn Timiyya states,Vol. 31, p. 380).

death cult of the moon god bump

49 posted on 11/30/2003 6:42:55 AM PST by an amused spectator (How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm, once they been to the Internet?)
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To: skull stomper
Well- I guess Johnny Walker Lind did show up on this thread.
50 posted on 11/30/2003 10:35:14 AM PST by Burkeman1
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To: andak01; skull stomper
De-nile ain't just a river in Egypt, andak01.

I also read the part of the Koran where it's considered acceptable to lie to the unbelievers. ;-)

"Just in the nick of time, Mohammed received a revelation that helpfully clarified the theopolitical questions at issue for the Meccan guardians of the gods in the Ka‘aba. When Mohammed had reported that Allah was the only god in town, it turned out that he hadn't received the entire satellite transmission. Perhaps Gabriel had mumbled and Mohammed missed part of the message. Wouldn't you know? The three favorite goddesses of Mecca - al-Lat, al-Uzzah, and al-Manat - were also real! This saved Mohammed's neck and all body parts attached thereto, and the exiles were able to return from Ethiopia. Later, when it was safe to do so, this all-important revelation was expunged from the Qur’an and it was explained that the revelation had come from Shaitan (Satan), not Allah. Thus began the legend of the "Satanic Verses," which more than a thousand years later was to prompt the Ayatollah Khomeini to issue a fatwa of death against the novelist Salman Rushdie.

59 posted on 12/01/2003 7:51:34 PM PST by an amused spectator (How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm, once they been to the Internet?)
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