[Askel5]

=== This is nothing. George Bush the father was the one in the UN seat for the US that got China into the UN...

And he was our first ambassador. (Something I learned here at Free Republic, actually.)

But all that's old history. Surely you're still a little tingly -- I know I am -- every time you think about the Hostage Fears for Bush Uncle in China.

[maui_hawaii]

Fact is, a lot of people who talk about China are very polarized by it. The honest debate doesn't always happen.

If he was in Italy, would anyone be questioning the relationship?

[maui_hawaii]

Being "in" with China isn't all that its cracked up to be.

If I am not mistaken rather recently the US Chamber of Commerce issued a report talking about how China has flunked on many parts of their WTO agreements.

Being head of the Chamber of Commerce isn't an indictment.

Knowing what one is talking about doesn't equate to being a patsy or a puppet.