"When homosexuals take over a parish" (a story from North Carolina)

Virtuosityonline.org ^ | 25 Nov. 2003 | Willard Fishburne

[sarasmom]

Why would any Christian ever seek knowledge from Oracles?

The spirituality of a Christian is not based on abstract metaphysical nuances.

Christianity treads a more direct and personal relationship with God.The framework of the various denominations of Christianity are loosely based on that direct personal relationship.
Layers of human bureaucracy have been artificially added, and the true message of Christ has been diluted, in the name of fellowship, and by the same type of people who have always sought power and controll over others.
Rituals and tradition are not evil, in and of themselves.
Spiritual comfort and support are found in them, and it is important to the live physical life we have been given.

[DBrow]

"And don't give me any of that "homophobe" stuff. That suggests fear; "

I think it is worse than that. "If you disagree or try to stop us you have a psychological disease..."

A phoia, an abnormality; you are abnormal for disliking homosexuals.

[DBrow]

phoia= phobia
hope there was no confusion.

[Huber]

we were comfortable as the only living conservatives in a sea of liberals.

I think that my wife was the first to coin this phrase. We had a very similar experience at St. Peter's in Charlotte. We had moved away for three years and had come back, expecting to rejoin our beloved church. However, since our children were entering the teen years, and the youth ministry was a lesbian couple, we probably faced reality faster than the author. The church was also Erskine Bowles' church, and the final straw was the open disparaging of all Republicans, in front of our faces. The church had clearly become an intolerant environment.

Jumping to the end of the story, we are now very happy in the AMIA (Church of the Good Shepherd - Huntersville)

[Samwise]

Infiltrate and destroy from within.

[melsec]

They tried that at our church - sent a person down to a small group to set us straight. As my friend tells it when the meeting started he said to everyone why don't we have a look at the Bible. Everyone in the small group immediately whipped out their Bibles from under their chairs. The person who was sent to fix us up immediately said "I didn't come here to do that! If that's all we are going to do then I may as well leave now" - "Exactly" I thought to myself and you may as well get the hell out of the church while your at it.

People have not been taught to read the scritures and understand them in the light of God and his revelation to the church throughout the church's history.

GOd Bless

Mel

[Amelia]

That was the big mistake. Why would anyone, claiming to be a conservative, willingly walk into such a ticking time bomb?

That was my thought too...they didn't expect problems??

[johnb838]

I've got a problem. Our Rector last week all but announced that the "homosexual theology" would be the standard of our parish. I'm very attached to the church, but I'm nearly convinced I'm going to have to leave.

My problem is that once a long time ago I had become regular in attendance at a church and then left when I moved to a different part of town. I had really been looking forward to the new church, but then I hated it. And I lost the habit of going and became unchurched again.

I don't think I would be so fickle now, but I don't trust myself. My only point is that the decision to leave a church is difficult, not just because of affectional preferance, but because it is another way that the satanic invasion exposes the believer's soul to the devil.

[jimfree]

Why would any Christian ever seek knowledge from Oracles?

Sorry. My use of the term Oracle was to explain the name Delphi. We are actually seeking to tap the wisdom of experts. The Delphi technique, properly employed, structures a debate between or among experts (usually anonymously) in order to solve a business problem or develop a forecast. It's another idea generation and development tool like brainstorming, mind-mapping, etc.

[wgeorge2001]

"My wife and I had been married in an Episcopal diocese in Chicago. The priest there taught us to be Episcopalians. We attended the inquirer's class. We learned the tradition and history of the church. It was there that we first learned of the Episcopal faith's three-legged stool of the Bible, Tradition and Reason."

Herein is the continued problem of ecumenical churches. Rule # 1, there is NO THREE LEGGED STOOL of the Holy Bible, there is only the scriptures themselves; tradition and reason are attributes that Satan uses to destroy liberal Christian churches as happened to you and your family.The holy bible is authored by the LORD himself and once a church sets aside the SCRIPTURES ONLY principle and /or adds tradition and/or human reason to the Word of God, that denomination is on it's way to heresies and lies and will eventually become infested and over run by the the satanic motivated flesh and blood people who always substitute the commandments of men for the Commandments of God and His Christ(whether they be the religious pharisees or religious Christians who despise the Word of God as the only truth in HIS created world).
We are probably in the latter days the Lord warned the saints of and one should trust only in the scriptures as God's word; tradition and reason are enemies of the faith of God and HIS Christ because "mans heart is deceitful and desperately wicked, who can know it"?

Proverbs 3
1. My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
2. For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
3. Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
4. So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
5. Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Psalms 1
1. Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2. But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
3. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
4. The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
5. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6. For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.


2 Timothy 3
1. This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3. Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4. Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7. Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10. But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11. Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12. Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15. And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Galatians 1
1. Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
2. And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
3. Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4. Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5. To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

[TaxRelief]

PING for your hubby...

[The Iguana]

What a depressing read.

[Huber]

My understanding of the Delphi technique is that it is a method for achieving group think and marginalizing any independent voices. It is frequently used in corporate diversity programs.

[Tax-chick]

Thanks ... he'll have a look after work!

[jimfree]

My understanding of the Delphi technique is that it is a method for achieving group think and marginalizing any independent voices. It is frequently used in corporate diversity programs.

I understand and have found many web postings that hold that view. I submit that what may be called Delphi in those contexts is misnamed. See the whitepaper at http://www.carolla.com/wp-delph.htm for a good discussion of the technique. It's key that the technique is used to converge the opinions of (often factionalized) experts. It's not supposed to be used to beat people over the head into consensus. It's not supposed to be used to achieve "group think" or consensus support of a bad idea.

All group decision techniques can be abused. I hate to see these cases of malpractice be blamed on the technique rather than the individuals and institutions that abuse the technique.

[dpa5923]

self-ping for later read. Wife and kids are draging me off somewhere.

[philetus]

I didn't see it "a week ago" ping.

[Eala]

I didn't see it "a week ago" ping.

My comment was for ahadams2, to decide if he wanted to ping the Traditional Anglican ping list on a late repost.

I seem to recall a comment from a moderator that said that there are conditions where re-posts are fine. This was clearly one of them, thus no comment to the poster nor to anyone but ahadams2. Cheers...

[philetus]

I see so many people griping about reposts and usually it's something that I haden't seen, because I have to work for a living and can't stay on the computer 24 hrs a day PING.

[Eala]

I see so many people griping about reposts and usually it's something that I haden't seen, because I have to work for a living and can't stay on the computer 24 hrs a day PING.

Ping-ACK yah. If the "repost" is within a few minutes, they were probably posting simultaneously. But if isn't, and it's still on the same page in "Latest Articles (Threads?)" somebody didn't bother looking.