You're wrong Luis.
It's John and Jane Q Muslim who are blowing up Jews in Tel Aviv and American soldiers in Tikrit.
They're blowing up average Iraqi kids and average Jewish kids. They're blowing up above average American kids every chance they get. They're doing it with relish, and they're doing it on purpose. The 'Arab' press is cheering them on every single time it happens.
"West Bank" arabs have posters in their versions of 7-11's singing the praises of John and Jane Q who murdered Israelis. They sing praises to them in their version of Kindergarten.
Their textbooks tell stories of Jews sucking blood from 'palestinians' in order to make cookies. They burn American flags at recess.
Luis, I try really, really hard not to have a racist bone in my body. I really do. But for the life of me, I can't find one single solitary reason not to nuke that stinking black rock those animals worship; preferably at a time when a few million of them are gathered around it.
Their 'prophet' says it's ok to make slaves of people who don't worship according to his dictates.
Their 'prophet' married a nine year old girl, and had sex with her when she was just 13.
Their 'prophet' said that killing a woman who 'mocked' him was perfectly acceptable.
Their 'prophet' says it's alright to lie to, cheat, and steal from anyone who doesn't 'believe' in him.
And I'm supposed to trust these same people who have this as a belief system?
Sorry my friend, but I ain't buying it.
These people tried to murder my brother. They succeeded in murdering a member of this forum. Most of them would quite happily slit your throat, my throat, and the throats of our women and children and then sit around singing songs about how it was 'Gods will'.
I say f*** them.
We won't be safe until we reduce the 'Muslim' population of the world by a factor of 10 or so IMO.
I want these monsters quaking in their boots for the next few centuries. I want them to turn anyone who even remotely resembles OBL, Hussein, or the Murderous Mullahs in Iran in to us simply because they piss their pants in fear of the consequences if they don't.
I'm really not a racist John. Hell, my kids best friend is a little Muslim boy who lives down the block. My wife and I both like him. We like him a lot. We've had tea with his parents. We've gone out of our way to see that we have Halal food in our house for him.
What I don't want is him and his parents being in a position to dictate how Mrs. L, Lurker Jr, and I live our lives. While they can trust me to be tolerant of them, I just can't see the situation being reversed.
If they won't respect us, I want them to fear us.
I want them to fear us so deeply they won't even think of pulling anything remotely resembling what happened 2 years ago ever again.
That's just my opinion.
L
The most rare of which is that rare instance when I agree with Pat Buchanan, who in turn is in agreement with George W. Bush.
December 2, 2002
Pat Buchanan
"I think Muhammad was a terrorist ... a violent man, a man of war," said the Rev. Jerry Falwell on "60 Minutes." He added, "Jesus set the example for love. ... Muhammad set an opposite example." Murderous riots broke out in India, and an Iranian cleric threatened Falwell with assassination. "The Koran teaches that the end of the world will not come until every Jew is killed by Muslims," says the Rev. Pat Robertson. He compares the Koran's message on Jews to "Mein Kampf." "There is no doubt the religion of Muhammad ... is extreme and violent."
"I don't believe this is a wonderful, peaceful religion," adds Franklin Graham, son of Billy Graham, "When you read ... the verses from the Koran, it instructs the killing of the infidel ... those that are non-Muslim."
What does President Bush think of this bashing of Islam by his Christian friends? He rejects it. "Islam is a religion of peace."
Colin Powell is less charitable: "We will reject the kind of comments ... where people in this country say that Muslims are responsible for the killing of all Jews, and who put out hatred. This kind of hatred must be rejected."
Is Islam a religion of peace? Why, then, was an American Christian woman murdered in south Lebanon by an Islamic fanatic, after Christians were warned to stop proselytizing for the faith?
If Islam is a religion of peace, how do you explain four days of Muslim rioting in Kaduna, Nigeria, against a Miss World pageant, after a journalist wrote that Muhammad might have chosen one of the beauty queens as one of his wives? Those riots left 1,500 hospitalized and 215 dead.
Islam has "bloody borders," says Harvard Professor Samuel Huntington. Is he not right? From Algeria to Afghanistan to the Philippines, Muslim insurgencies rage in a dozen countries.
Yet the president, too, has a point. In America, a huge Islamic community lives at peace with its Christian and Jewish neighbors. Around the world are a billion Muslims, only a tiny fraction of whom are waging jihad against Christian minorities or their own rulers.
How to explain the dichotomy? We are at the beginning of a religious and political revolution in the Islamic world. Like all revolutions, it is marked at its extremes by militancy, intolerance and a sometimes murderous xenophobia. What is being worked out, often violently, are the terms of Islam's engagement with a hedonistic, triumphalist West that both attracts and repels the Muslim faithful.
In northern Nigeria, this revolution is religious and cultural -- at war with both Christianity and a neo-pagan MTV culture. In Algeria, Islamic jihadists seek to overthrow a secular-socialist state brought to power by the war of independence. In southern Lebanon, militants want Christians out, now that Hezbollah has driven the Israelis out. In Palestine, Hamas and Islamic Jihad add religious fanaticism to a nationalist cause. Should Arafat become president of Palestine, he will face an Islamic party more rabid than the religious parties Sharon must cope with.
In Chechnya and western China, Islamic guerrillas seem more secessionist than fundamentalist. In Egypt, Islamic extremism is manifest in assassination attempts of pro-Western scholars, the slaughter of tourists and the persecution of the Copts.
Yet, while all this violence is the daily fare of our front pages, how many Islamic terrorists, guerrillas, assassins and rioters are there, when you consider that if they add up to 1,000,000, it would be less than 0.1 percent of the Muslims on earth? And not all the causes for which Muslims fight -- independence for Chechnya and Palestine, secession from Russia, Indonesia and China -- are inherently unjust or evil.
Islam is in a revivalist phase. In the lands where it is predominant, there is often little tolerance of rival religions seeking the conversion of Muslims. So it is that Falwell, Robertson and Graham, too, have a point. Between militant Islam and Christian fundamentalism, there is an unbridgeable chasm of belief, and in the Islamic world, devout Christians are citizens under suspicion -- just as Jews and Muslims were in Isabella's Spain and Catholics were in Elizabethan England.
Yet, in his sense that we must avoid war with militant Islam, lest we find ourselves at war with all Islam, President Bush is surely right.
In the last century, America was threatened by a global communist revolution. Avoiding all-out war, we outlasted it. And we can outlast this Islamist revolution. What we must avoid is a war of faiths, a war of civilizations between Islam and America. And those who propagandize for such a war are the unwitting or willful collaborators of Osama bin Laden.