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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
"If Christian Conservatives and Jewish Conservatives fail to pry the eyes of voters open, to shock them with the sight of what lurks in the foulest shadows, then the voters will stumble in darkness, and God will leave our land. Some argue that God would not 'run away'. Of course not. His divine presence would linger quietly in a few hearts and homes, but little more than that."

I'm not sure that Christian Conservatives and Jewish Conservatives can "pry the eyes of the voters open..." They have to be persuaded on their own. However, I believe that many Christian Conservatives may be waking up from their slumber with the "gay [homosexual] agenda" becoming so over aggressive in their pursuit of "normalizing" and trying to make their false lifestyle legal and acceptable.

There may be a backlash against this aggressive agenda come election time.

As for the "unjust judges" in our state and Federal courts who have turned the justice system into an oligarchy buy making laws and ruling the nation from the bench, Isaiah in Chapter 5:20,21 says this about them:

20. Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter.

21. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
and clever in their own sight.

And this is the promised punishment as Isaiah speaks for the Lord:

24. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw
and as dry grass sinks down in the flames,
so their roots will decay
and their flowers blow away like dust;
for they have rejected the law of the LORD Almighty
and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel.

I believe that we are a divided nation like I have never before seen in my 50-plus years. But, that division seems to be "good against evil". Many are having to get off of the fence and declare sides: for light or for dark, for good or for evil, for God or against Him. The 'lukewarm' are having to get hot or grow cold.

Christianity is growing in public schools despite liberal secular humanist indoctrination...i.e. "Meet You At The Pole" over a million (it was reported) students praying at the flagpoles. Many student-led Bible studies and prayer meetings before and after school. All this despite those who would 'forbid the little ones to come unto Him". [There is a 'millstone waiting for their necks]. Home schooling is steadily rising. Christian schools and colleges are increasing, like Patrick Henry, Liberty University, Hilsdale, and Regent University, etc.

Christian / Jesus festivals are on the increase. Promise Keepers is still on the rise. Many leaders and staff in Washington [Representatives, Senators and other Federal Departments and agencies] have regular prayer meetings.

There is evidence of 'judgement beginning in the House of the Lord': first the Evangelicals [Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker and others], then the Catholics [the exposure of homosexual priests], and now the Episcopal Church division-split-cleansing.

Dead mainline denominational churches and liberal doctrine churches are becoming empty, while Churches that preach the pure gospel and speak the truth with boldness are growing.

This country still sends the most Bibles, Christian aid workers and other aid from Christians to help ease suffering and spread the gospel of Christ around the world.

In spite of what has been widely reported, it has been documented the in truth and in fact, Christianity is growing faster than Islam or any other religion. This documentation has been laid out by authors such as Philip Jenkins in his book "The Next Chistendom: The Coming of Global Christianity" and by David Aikman in his book "Jesus in Beijing: How Christianity Is Transforming China and Changing the Global Balance of Power." This is due to contributions of Christian materials and media (SW radio & satellite TV) from the United States.

I agree with all Author has written, but I wonder about just how bad or evil we, as a nation, have become as a whole? Divided yes, but primarily evil and wicked with only a minority (or slight remnant) left following after the Lord endeavoring to keep His commands?

We are in an historic battle of good versus evil and perhaps all evidence points to this being the "last days" as described in the Bible.

We can see though that only a part is the nation's battle without: Christianity (Judiasm) against Islam (the spirit of anti-Christ). The other battle is battle within our nation for those who are for Christianity in truth (not name only) and those who are as the Apostle Paul describes them in 2 Timothy 3:1-5

Godlessness in the Last Days

1. But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.
2. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive,
disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
3. without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control,
brutal, not lovers of the good,
4. treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God--
5. having a form of godliness but denying its power. Consider this: Israel becomes a nation again from the diaspora in 1948. Jerusalem is no longer 'trod under the feet of gentiles' but back in Israel's control as of 1967.
The statue of Daniel: head of gold Babylon, chest and arms of silver Medes & Persians, legs of bronze Greece, feet of iron mixed with clay Rome... We are the decendants of Rome which was not completely destroyed as the others and the United States is now in control of Babylon. That is a strange full circle.

8 posted on 11/23/2003 1:12:49 PM PST by KriegerGeist ("The weapons of our warefare are not carnal, but mighty though God for pulling down of strongholds")
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To: Geist Krieger
"We are in an historic battle of good versus evil and perhaps all evidence points to this being the "last days" as described in the Bible."

I agree completely, but I'd leave out the "perhaps".

10 posted on 11/23/2003 1:45:27 PM PST by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Geist Krieger
Dead mainline denominational churches and liberal doctrine churches are becoming empty, while Churches that preach the pure gospel and speak the truth with boldness are growing.

Not too sure about this. The churches whose undershepherds preach as "a dying man to dying men" are very few and small. Churches that stress entertainment and cater to "felt needs" are growing, and I would submit are part of the problem by presenting a man-centered rather than God-centered Gospel. Small-God = culturally-irrelevant Chrisitianity. If church is merely a matter of entertainment, why not stay home and watch television? I've heard from two separate reliable sources (Dr. Joel Beeke and Dr. Beougher, here), that a sizable chunk of the populace believes that the Sermon on the Mount was preached by Billy Graham. 50% of people believe Sodom and Gomorrah were husband and wife, and 12% believe Joan of Arc was Noah's wife. Sounds like it's time to turn off the boob tube and hit the books...

In spite of what has been widely reported, it has been documented the in truth and in fact, Christianity is growing faster than Islam or any other religion. This documentation has been laid out by authors such as Philip Jenkins in his book "The Next Chistendom: The Coming of Global Christianity" and by David Aikman in his book "Jesus in Beijing: How Christianity Is Transforming China and Changing the Global Balance of Power." This is due to contributions of Christian materials and media (SW radio & satellite TV) from the United States.

Some discernment is in order here. Which gospel is it that is growing? Until there's evidence that it's a God-centered, rather than man-centered, Gospel, the Gospel of free grace to unworthy sinners, I'm skeptical about its cultural-transforming efficacy.

I agree with all Author has written, but I wonder about just how bad or evil we, as a nation, have become as a whole? Divided yes, but primarily evil and wicked with only a minority (or slight remnant) left following after the Lord endeavoring to keep His commands?

Yes, we are wicked, all of us. "The heart is deceitful above all things and desparately wicked. Who can know it?" Jer. 17:9.

We are in an historic battle of good versus evil and perhaps all evidence points to this being the "last days" as described in the Bible.

We've been in the Last Days since Christ's ascension, and the next eschatological event we can expect is His return. At least, that's what the majority of churches - Catholic and Protestant alike - taught until Darby invented Dispensationalism in the 1800's, which has since become the dominant eschatoligcal hermeneutic of our age.

What is needed is Spirit-wrought revival, the likes of that experienced by the colonies in the 1700's through men like Freylinghuysen, Edwards, and Tenent. The best practical suggestion I saw was on the the last thread about picking a day to fast and pray. We need far more than gimicks, this is deadly-serious spiritual warfar, and Satan is indeed alive and active in the world, and man, apart from the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit, is Satan's pawn in the earth.

13 posted on 11/23/2003 2:30:38 PM PST by Lexinom ("No society rises above its idea of God." -unknown)
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To: Geist Krieger
Thanks for putting out some positive material. I read Aurther's Pt1 piece last night and thought he really hit the nail on the head. The Internet is a blessing, it helps keep us in touch with our fellow freedom fighters.
16 posted on 11/23/2003 6:47:57 PM PST by stevio
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