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To: Poohbah
Telling me that I have to spend a lot of my resources to make that tool ready for use is a non-starter.

If you are buying a precision tool that has never before existed, AND you are pushing the technology in a number of areas ( materials science, dimensional tolerancing, production rates), then the bidding process becomes more Art than Science. The closest analogy would be the military contracting process. And we know that cost overruns abound in that arena.

If a purchasing manager neglects that reality he soon runs himself out of good suppliers. I've been involved with the toolmaking business for 25 years, and the better purchasing managers are the ones with some kind of technical backround. The MBA-types are usually more adept a blame shifting.

21 posted on 11/23/2003 1:20:41 PM PST by Tallguy (I can't think of anything to say -- John Entwistle in "The Kids are Alright")
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To: Tallguy
If you are buying a precision tool that has never before existed, AND you are pushing the technology in a number of areas ( materials science, dimensional tolerancing, production rates), then the bidding process becomes more Art than Science. The closest analogy would be the military contracting process. And we know that cost overruns abound in that arena.

Most military cost overruns are a product of procurement stretchouts and requirements changes than due to real trouble hitting known performance targets.

Bottom line: if you're demanding that the customer spend a s**tload of money to get your widget to work after he's already spent a s**tload of money on your product, don't expect him to be enthused about your product, no matter how good it eventually is after his in-house staff finishes fixing it.

22 posted on 11/23/2003 1:31:42 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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