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Jackson's explicit letters seized (child's name redacted for FR)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | November 24th, 2003 | CAROLINE GRAHAM and SHARON CHURCHER

Posted on 11/23/2003 9:36:27 AM PST by Sabertooth

EXPLICIT letters and poems said to have been written by Michael Jackson to his alleged victim will form the centrepiece of the sex-abuse case against him.

Police seized at least a dozen letters during the raid on Jackson's Neverland ranch last week.

"The district attorney is convinced these letters will be crucial to the case against Jackson," a source close to the investigation said yesterday.

"The boy told investigators about letters and poems and their precise location inside Michael's home. These letters were among the evidence seized, along with videotapes.

"They are very explicit and intimate and show a degree of familiarity. Basically, they appear to be love letters from Michael to the boy."

The accuser, 12-year-old Los Angeles cancer victim ******, also told police Jackson's pet name for him was Rubba.

"The boy first told this to his therapist, then repeated it to police," the source said.

"He said Jackson called him Rubba because one of the games they used to play was called rubba rubba. The boy said, 'Michael told me he was my rubba rubba friend."'

Although police handling the case in Santa Barbara, California, have been barred from revealing any details, it is understood the alleged abuse took place in February.

Jackson is said to have befriended ****** -- who, during a controversial British documentary screened earlier this year, admitted having shared a bed with the singer -- over a long period.

A source close to 45-year-old Jackson said: "For the past five or six years, he's taken kids from fractured homes and nurtured them as a father figure. As they get older, he teaches them fun things to do.

"Michael says he learned this from an adult when he was a teenager. No-one on his staff ever said anything. He's a tyrant. Everybody obeys the man."

Another Jackson source said: "The boy told of everything that went on and described things in Michael's closets, his bathroom, what was under his bed."

In her statements to police, ******'s mother, #####, has revealed that Jackson encouraged her son to call him "Daddy".

##### has claimed she, ****** and his two siblings were held virtual prisoners at Neverland, 100km north of Santa Barbara.

When she learned of her son's accusations of molestation -- which included claims that Jackson plied him with wine and sleeping pills -- she fled with her family in the dead of night.

A source close to district attorney Tom Sneddon, who will prosecute the case, said: "The DA is very confident with the evidence he has. This includes letters, videos and computer files. They believe they have enough to nail Jackson."

Jackson's legal team is said to be encouraging him to consider a plea bargain, possibly an insanity defence that would allow him to serve time in a state mental hospital instead of jail.

There was speculation yesterday that the singer raised his $3 million bail with the help of Miami-based Al Malnik, a lawyer for notorious gangster Meyer Lansky, who died in 1983.

Malnik reportedly began making large loans to Jackson when his career nosedived.

Malnik, 69, was cited by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission in 1980 and 1992 as a person of unsuitable character.

The prosecution source said: "It just gets weirder and weirder. Michael supposedly has financial problems, but hiring someone with Mob connections is bizarre."

Prosecutors are said to be spreading a net around the world for other alleged victims. One boy of special interest is said to be in El Salvador, another in South Africa.

They are also said to be considering quizzing the son of an English premiership footballer.

Charges of aiding and abetting are likely to be filed against members of Jackson's entourage.

At the same time as the Neverland swoop, police raided two homes in Los Angeles.

One was reportedly the residence of Marc Schaffel, a gay video producer who filmed the rebuttal tape Jackson released just after Martin Bashir's British documentary aired.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: childmolester; hollywood; homosexualvice; jacko; jackson; michaeljackson; molester; pederast; pedophile; pervert; wacko
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To: cyncooper
Even though we have seen the boy in the video, I do think his name being redacted is a good idea. I certainly would not have remembered his name from the documentary.

There are too many nuts out there. Did you read the article about what the family has had to endure that brought allegations ten years ago? They lived in fear for years. Everything from hired thugs to crazed fans wanting to hurt or intimidate them.
161 posted on 11/23/2003 1:57:27 PM PST by Lanza
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To: Sabertooth
Here's hoping all the boys are still alive. Soon we'll know just how awful Jackson and his thuggy P.I.'s really are...

Prosecutors are said to be spreading a net around the world for other alleged victims. One boy of special interest is said to be in El Salvador, another in South Africa.

162 posted on 11/23/2003 1:58:57 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: cajungirl
Hey you may have stumbled on to something here cajungirl....I do not know for fact but snuff films are made and sold blackmarket. I think they are still taboo/underworld but who knows now a days.

Anyway my point being that what if MJ in need for finances turned to the mob and sold his own porno flicks of kiddee porn including the "king of Pop" for a hefty price.

I have not a clue who the hell would be interested in a MJ kiddie porn but it could be something he sold to those that live in a dark world.
163 posted on 11/23/2003 2:01:04 PM PST by oceanperch (Respite care, it is a good thing.)
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To: Hildy; af_vet_1981
He won't be happy until he brings the Kobe argument over to the MJ thread.(he's already tried that twice on this thread) He seems desperate for someone to argue with him over this for some reason.
164 posted on 11/23/2003 2:01:33 PM PST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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To: oceanperch
I have not a clue who the hell would be interested in a MJ kiddie porn

Bleech.

Wow. You think he could be that far gone? If he made these I would bet he left himself out of the films.

Yeesh, whatever happened to this guy?

165 posted on 11/23/2003 2:03:02 PM PST by riri
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To: Lorenb420
Meanwhile, Jermaine Jackson has defended his younger brother in an interview with the ABC.

"He's not a child molester, he's not a pedophile, and these things have got to stop," he said.

"You got a bunch of racist rednecks out there who don't care about people. We are a family, we are all angry, and we're going to prepare for war – that's what this is."

LOOK at Jermaine Jackson. Granted, he hasn't had as much plastic surgery as Michael, but still... When the only thing that makes you look normal is the fact that your little brother is the KING OF ALL FREAKS, don't expect the world to be taking you seriously.

166 posted on 11/23/2003 2:03:58 PM PST by Lib Buster
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To: af_vet_1981
Listening to both sides with perps who rape and murder is not "okay with me." The time for listening to both sides is over. It is time for a day of reckoning.

You should just move to Cuba then. I hear that their trials are a bit more swift.
167 posted on 11/23/2003 2:04:37 PM PST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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To: Lorenb420; aristeides; swarthyguy; archy; Shermy; Uncle Bill; OKCSubmariner; Fred Mertz
Jacko goes all over the world.

Picking up kids and bringing them home to the US.

Jacko has known contacts with organized crime.

He has paid out millions in hush $$$$$.

He is known to be an abuser of children.

He is known to be a drug addict.

Do the bad Islamics use him?

Where is Ashcroft?

If Jacksons plane is searched at every airport,does any government wonder what all the kids are for?

Ohh, I see, his plane is never searched.

Gee, could there be drugs, sex slaves, TERRORISTS on board?

Where is Ashcroft?

168 posted on 11/23/2003 2:05:06 PM PST by Betty Jo
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To: rabidralph
Serena is 5'11". She's also big, meaning large manish shoulders. And then there is the booty which was shown off so nicely in that famous "cat suit" outfit. Either you like the "brick house" type or you don't, but she's it. That doesn't make her freaky. And yeah, it's all muscle due to her workout schedule.
169 posted on 11/23/2003 2:06:21 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: fso301
Didn't he and his brothers admit that when the Jackson 5 was on the road the teen bothers would bring girls back to the room and have sex while MJ was pretending to sleep in the next bed as a young boy.

MJ said this made him shy of girls and that girls threw themselves at him for sex and that turned him off.

I keep wondering if kinky men/women are that way out of being oversexed the old fashion way. Men friends tell me the turn on is in the pursuit and a hard to get woman is attractive sooooo if their is in these days a big supply of sex for men and not much demand as the market is flooded could that turn a idle/bored sexually inundated mind on the slippery slope to Sodemn and Gamorrah? Our am I confusing unhealthy sex with economics?
170 posted on 11/23/2003 2:10:43 PM PST by oceanperch (Respite care, it is a good thing.)
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To: Lanza
Yes, I agree what you say and yes, I have read that the first family claims intimidation. The Pellicano arrest and police having access to his records may shed more light on this aspect. There are stories that Jackson was wanting to ship this current family off to South America.

And back to the video. I agree with you there, too. I remember thinking and posting at the time that they sat like a boyfriend and girlfriend would. It couldn't be more obvious.

Also, video shot in that hotel room where the baby dangling incident took place, one of the cables running footage of Jackson ran a piece the other day I had see back when but had forgotten about. He's feeding that baby a bottle and really rocking that baby in an alarming fashion. Not like someone will gently and rhythmically rock while feeding, but he was manically really jarring that baby. It was so odd, bizarre and scary, and was not at all loving and normal.

He has basically put out a neon sign alerting all who have eyes that he has serious problems and issues and should not be the guardian or custodian of any children. IMO.
171 posted on 11/23/2003 2:11:35 PM PST by cyncooper ("The evil is in plain sight")
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To: Sabertooth
While I realize the name 'Rubba rubba' is suggestive, there's nothing so far released by the police which suggests a pedophiliac relationship. Is this going to be WMD all over again?
172 posted on 11/23/2003 2:15:17 PM PST by JoeSchem
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To: Lanza
Also the lad deserves to be unknown so that he does not have to live with this as public knowledge and a thorn in his side as he goes on to adulthood and hopefully a advocate for good old hetrosexual relationships and can make a living on his own talents.
173 posted on 11/23/2003 2:20:47 PM PST by oceanperch (Respite care, it is a good thing.)
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To: I still care
Remember Roamn Polanski? Molests a young girl, flees the country, then gets awards and ovations from Hollywood.

Yeah, they're extra proud of him!

174 posted on 11/23/2003 2:31:08 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Take my advice; I don't use it anyway.)
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To: Hildy
I scanned this entire thread, and noted that nobody talked about his game...RUBBA RUBBA

That's very believable too. It fits right in with his other little cutsie names like Mr. Bubbles and Blankey. Shudder.

175 posted on 11/23/2003 2:35:44 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Take my advice; I don't use it anyway.)
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To: rabidralph
Nothing really. Strong opinion, I know. LOL. But I'm sticking with it! I've just seen her on some shows with her bosom hanging out like the rest of Hollywood, and she looks like the nasty type to me. I could be wrong....nah!
176 posted on 11/23/2003 2:38:43 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Take my advice; I don't use it anyway.)
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To: cyborg
I noticed she can look very pretty,very feminine and very mannish,almost like a horse in other photographs

A horse! That is not tempering your comments! At least I didn't say that! LOL! (playfully joking ya, I hope you know)

I wasn't commenting on her attractiveness, she just looks like the nasty type to me. And look who she's easily impressed by.

But that's just my opinion, I think most of the celebrities are hugely messed up and nasty.

177 posted on 11/23/2003 2:49:11 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Take my advice; I don't use it anyway.)
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To: Lady Eileen
...this article detailing the charges against R.Kelly shows.

R.Kelly, this is the guy who sang that annoying song "I believe I can fly". Well, now I know what he meant. He saw Jacko get away with it first time and got inspired. 21 counts of child porn. Did this go to trial yet? I guess he did fly if him and Michael are now trading advice. Wonder if they brag to each other.

178 posted on 11/23/2003 2:51:59 PM PST by metalboy (I`m still waiting for the mass protests against Al Qaida and Saddam)
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To: oceanperch
They all stroke each other's egos. That's why they have so many award shows every year, and the whole celebrity crossover thing (sports, movies, politics) is so prevalent.

The only people left out are us, the little people!

Cheers! (holding up glass of alka seltzer)
179 posted on 11/23/2003 2:54:40 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Take my advice; I don't use it anyway.)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
That's why they have so many award shows every year

That is a crack up isn't it? I mean can you really get excited about winning one of these awards anymore, when there are 815 different types given out for every category known to man.

180 posted on 11/23/2003 3:01:28 PM PST by riri
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