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Time to lay Kennedy conspiracy theories to rest
The Chicago Sun-TImes ^
| November 23, 2003
| Editorial
Posted on 11/23/2003 6:40:47 AM PST by GaryL
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
One thing I have never seen addressed - according to the Commission Report, which I read, the rifle that Oswald was supposed to use had a scope mounted on it. When that rifle was to be test fired the scope had about a quarter inch "slop" or wiggle in it mounting on the rifle. The FBI had to redrill and remount the scope in order to do the test firing.
To: GaryL
LBJ, J. Edgar Hoover, and Richard Nixon all attended a dinner party in Hoover's honor held at the Dallas home of oilman Clint Murchison the evening of Nov. 21, 1963. LBJ's mistress, who was also at the party, said that LBJ told her at the party that, after the next day, the Kennedys would never embarrass him again. I just learned she recently died, but the report is in her relatively recent book (as well as being cited by Barr McClellan in his book).
To: GaryL
Yes everyone there was a conspiracy it is time to lay that conspiracy to rest:
In the early '60s only one person had the power and popularity to get government agencies to lie for him AND the motive to see JFK dead. Yes, it is obvious to all:
Joe Dimaggio had Kennedy killed.
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posted on
11/23/2003 8:49:17 AM PST
by
Agkistrodon
(ok for a first post?)
To: GaryL
This thread shows that some people have difficulty reasoning logically when certain emotionally charged subjects come up. There are really only three things to be said:
1) The evidence is OVERWHELMING that Oswald shot Kennedy.
2) It is IMPOSSIBLE to prove that Oswald acted alone, even if he did.
3) Given 1) and 2), the burden of proof is on the conspiracy theorists to show who the other people in the conspiracy were. At this, they have failed, and reasonable people need not listen to them until they come up with some positive evidence involving PEOPLE WITH NAMES. Otherwise, NOTHING FOLLOWS from their efforts.
To: GaryL
Numerous people involved with the Clinton Admin died under questionable circumstances. In the early 60s, a young Bill Clinton had his picture taken shaking hands with JFK. Shortly afterwards, Kennedy was shot. Conincidence?
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posted on
11/23/2003 8:50:49 AM PST
by
birdsman
To: birdsman
I don't know about that early, but Clinton's involvement with assassination may have been ongoing just a few years after that. Didn't Clinton drive Rep. Boggs to the plane in which he was about to die in a suspicious accident? (Boggs, who was a member of the Warren Commission and a member of the Democratic leadership in the House of Representatives, had been acting erratically and expressing misgivings about the commission report in the months before his death.)
To: GaryL
Time to lay Kennedy conspiracy theories to rest I agree, release all information immediately, so we can all have a look. As long as there are unknown secrets people will never completely believe the story put forward.
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posted on
11/23/2003 8:56:56 AM PST
by
RJL
To: GaryL
Here's the question to ask yourselves - IF the Warren Commission report is factually correct and the truth was ascertained, why were all of the records related the JFK assassination SEALED for a period of 75 years?
SEALED; inaccessible; unavailable to public view.
Who would benefit from doing that?
To: GaryL
Well, the real question is was he acting alone. Which includes the possibility that he alone did the killing, BUT there were others involved, either with LHO's knowledge or not. When Posner focuses solely on wether LHO was the lone gunmean, he ignores and in a way, distorts the real question. A majority of Americans found it really incredible that Jack Ruby was allowed to walk right up to the most wanted man in the country, and blow him away. Seems to me that the major media, is on a big push to take the steam out of the question of just who killed JFK. Seems to me that a lot of people with good questions are labeled as nuts, it is just a variation of heretic. A way to make people quit asking questions. In any case, wether LHO was the lone shooter or not is a not the basic question. The question is and always has been "was he part of a larger conspiracy?"
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posted on
11/23/2003 9:01:06 AM PST
by
ronnieb
To: VeritatisSplendor
Nope, I understand your point, but I can't agree tha this purely a matter of deductive reasoning.
There are many mysteries in history, the details of which we are unlikely ever to know. Should we just stop wondering about them?
In this particular case, a confirmation that JFK was the victim of a conspiracy would have immense consequences. So, even though the chances of learning the truth are vanishingly small, I think it is worthwhile to at least keep a small sliver of doubt about the "official" version of events alive.
I believe in Occam's Razor for narrowing down the possible explanations of most natural events - but this was not a "natural event": it was the product of human will and human action. As such, it is permissible to "multiply possibilities" a little.
To: RANGERAIRBORNE
</b> oops- close tags. Sorry.
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Small entrance hole, Large exit hole. There is no action to the right of his ear in frame 313.
What you looked at was neurological shock.
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posted on
11/23/2003 9:05:34 AM PST
by
Shooter 2.5
(Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
To: aristeides
The problem with the printed page is that I can't tell if you were being sarcastic with that post about Clinton and Boggs! If you were, it was very, very funny!
To: GaryL
"...endless skepticism and analysis are a waste of time...."
Whenever anybody tries to stampede your thinking with a line like that, I know the author is not out for a rational discourse, but is using emotion to brutalize the discussion.
Studying the different theories about the JFK assassination is fun! It's a great mental exercise and good for you.
Beware of sharks with closed minds.
To: RANGERAIRBORNE
Good point about "misdirection."
It started immediately -- from the leftist pukes. One of the main reason I hate the left is because they used the assassination to trash the emerging modern conservative movement blaming its criticism of JFK for "causing" Oswald to do it. I don't have a TV but it would not surprise me to learn that the Disney / ABC "news" digital cartoon opened with Mickey.. er, Lee Harvey reading the Dallas newspaper ads criticizing JFK and deciding to take his rifle to work that day.
Now on to a general comment. If worries about conspiracies are silly illogical, inane wastes of time why are conspiracies against the law?
Now that the Disney / ABC "news" digital cartoon proved that Oswald did it alone why keep evidence locked up? Mrs. Kennedy is no longer here to be hurt by reliving the horror. Embarass or hurt the Kennedys? Are you kidding?! With Ted Kennedy still running wild.
Release ALL the information and let's move on. It don't git no simpler.
To: E. Pluribus Unum
"My eyes say it came from the front."
My eyes do as well.
To: David
What you are for has already been done. It's called "Case Closed." Have you read the book?
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posted on
11/23/2003 9:41:35 AM PST
by
GaryL
To: RANGERAIRBORNE
I suggest you read the book "Case Closed."
Best regards
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posted on
11/23/2003 9:44:13 AM PST
by
GaryL
To: GaryL
This is one of those times that I wish that my Dad were still around. My Dad was an EXPERT on all things Kennedy assassination. He covered the Ruby trial in Dallas for the Saturday Evening Post. I grew up with the entire Warren Commission report on our kitchen table. When he died, he was writing a book about Jack Ruby. A few months before he died, he went to Dallas to talk to somebody about something Kennedy. That being said, what did he think? CASE CLOSED. Oswald acted alone. Period. He would tell me all the things that would have had to happen, all the people who would have had to keep their mouths shut for a conspiracy to happen. He always knew how to quiet the conspiracy claims. God, I miss him.
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posted on
11/23/2003 9:47:24 AM PST
by
Hildy
To: VeritatisSplendor
Thank you, and...AMEN!
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posted on
11/23/2003 9:47:44 AM PST
by
GaryL
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