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GOP bills put Dems in a bind
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Posted on 11/22/2003 8:58:56 PM PST by maui_hawaii

Senate Democrats are in a quandary over how to deal with twin Republican-led initiatives to enact Medicare reform and a comprehensive energy bill this year.

Many of the Senate’s 48 Democrats see both pieces of legislation as flawed. But, given the high political stakes involved, they have yet to make a concerted strategic decision on how to proceed.

Still, it appears that the Democrats are not prepared to mount a filibuster when Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) calls up the energy package today; the House passed the measure last night. Republican negotiators who assembled the energy conference report over the last several months appear to have included enough sweeteners to mute Democratic opposition.

There was far less clarity, however, on how Democrats would deal with Medicare prescription drug legislation that is headed to the Senate floor later this week. Senate Democrats decided to take more time to study the issue before determining whether to filibuster a $400 billion drug benefit one of President Bush’s top legislative priorities.

The Democrats would need 41 votes to mount a successful campaign to stop the bill. It is unclear whether Democratic opposition is to the measure is sufficiently strong to block the bill.

If Democrats decide they have the votes to mount a successful filibuster, it will be in part due to help from Republicans. A handful, including Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), have said they would vote with Democrats against cutting off debate on a bill they oppose in its present form.

Several Democrats said they were loath to filibuster the energy bill, which includes subsidies for alternative energy sources such as wind power, ethanol, and traditional oil and gas industries.

Summing up the difficulty faced by Democrats, Minority Leader Tom Daschle (S.D.) told reporters he had “grave concerns” about provision that would weaken environmental protections.

But Daschle said that there were “good things” in the bill and he personally would not back a filibuster. Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.), a Daschle ally, said he preferred that Democrats “take the gains we made” in the bill by supporting it. Dorgan said Democrats had not “made a judgment” on whether to filibuster either the energy bill or the Medicare bill.

Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), the ranking Democrat on the Finance Committee, said he would vote for the energy bill even though he would not sign the conference report.

Since conference reports cannot be amended, senators must vote either for or against the entire bill. Vice President Dick Cheney and Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham appealed yesterday to Senate Republicans to go along with the administration.

But Sen. John Sununu (N.H.), citing the bill’s multiple subsidies, said he would “consider voting ‘no’ on cloture,” adding, “It’s a bad bill.”

Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.) said opponents “don’t have the votes” to launch a successful filibuster.

“Sen. Daschle is very small ‘d’ democratic,” said Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.). “He wants a thorough review of it.” Many Democrats who are looking to Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.), who delivered a blistering floor speech against the Medicare conference report yesterday.

Whether Democrats decide to mount a filibuster will depend in part on how many Republicans would consider joining them.

“I’ve got a lot of questions,” said Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.). “Everybody does.”

Conservative Sens. Don Nickles (R-Okla.) and James Inhofe (R-Okla.) were also considering whether to oppose the hndiwork of the conferees.

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) said the conference report failed to include a crucial provision to boost the pay of Alaska doctors, who are in short supply. “If you don’t have a doctor to prescribe them, it doesn’t make a difference if you have” drug coverage.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: energy; enrgy; medicare
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I wonder what happens to the Dems when the AARP gets completely fed up with their crap.

They aren't paying for that TV ad campaign for nothing...

1 posted on 11/22/2003 8:58:57 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
Bump!
2 posted on 11/22/2003 9:06:05 PM PST by The Mayor (Through prayer, finite man draws upon the power of the infinite God.)
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To: maui_hawaii
A handful, including Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), have said they would vote with Democrats against cutting off debate

Ah, yes, FReepers with any sense who realize how horrible the medicare bill is now have to hope that the dems and McCain can save us.

3 posted on 11/23/2003 3:55:42 AM PST by RJCogburn ("You've bested no one when you've bested a fool"........Texas Ranger LeBoeuf)
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To: RJCogburn
Given I haven't read the legislation...but whats so bad about it?
4 posted on 11/23/2003 9:04:58 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: RJCogburn
The only reason McCain is against both of them is because he just can't bring himself to giving a victory to Bush. McCain is a sore loser plain and simple.
5 posted on 11/23/2003 9:16:38 AM PST by marajade
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To: marajade
The only reason McCain is against both of them is because he just can't bring himself to giving a victory to Bush. McCain is a sore loser plain and simple.

Maybe so, which makes it all the more ironic that we need to count on him and the dems....

6 posted on 11/23/2003 11:24:51 AM PST by RJCogburn ("You've bested no one when you've bested a fool"........Texas Ranger LeBoeuf)
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To: maui_hawaii
Given I haven't read the legislation...but whats so bad about it?

Of course you haven't. It's hundreds of pages long and I'll bet most people in the Congress have not read it either.

It has been described as one of the biggest expansions of government in decades in other reports posted here. It is a $400BILLION thingy

Is that enough?

7 posted on 11/23/2003 11:29:22 AM PST by RJCogburn ("You've bested no one when you've bested a fool"........Texas Ranger LeBoeuf)
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To: RJCogburn
If this one costs $400 billion, but the alternatives costs $800 billion... I would vote for this one...
8 posted on 11/23/2003 11:39:33 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
If this one costs $400 billion, but the alternatives costs $800 billion... I would vote for this one...

An exceedingly limp reply.

How about none at all?

9 posted on 11/23/2003 11:41:56 AM PST by RJCogburn ("You've bested no one when you've bested a fool"........Texas Ranger LeBoeuf)
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Do you think those in opposition to this bill, are in the long run, ideologically trying to limit the size of government?
10 posted on 11/23/2003 11:42:38 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: RJCogburn
If it were up to Hillary the govt would run the whole thing. And the local govt office would tell you and me where we can go to the doctor...
11 posted on 11/23/2003 11:44:27 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
If this one costs $400 billion, but the alternatives costs $800 billion...

Mark my words...in no more than 10 years this one will cost $800 billion. Read the legislation. There are triggers there to force Congress to revisit it.

12 posted on 11/23/2003 11:46:03 AM PST by blake6900
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To: RJCogburn
It could well be the choice between a little "New Deal" and and BIG "New Deal"...
13 posted on 11/23/2003 11:47:17 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: blake6900
The devil is in the details. And I don't know the details.
14 posted on 11/23/2003 11:48:58 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
nothing.

In fact, it actually starts the process to Medicare privatization and choice for seniors., with medicare being forced to compete with private insurance in 2010 or so.

But, the "my way or the highway" conservatives ignore that.
15 posted on 11/23/2003 11:49:39 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: rwfromkansas; Jim Robinson
Since there hasn't been that much detailed info on this (that I have seen), I would like to have this thread be full of details.

I have a creeping feeling that your assessment is right, and the opposition's are outlined in post #11.

16 posted on 11/23/2003 11:53:10 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
Do you think those in opposition to this bill, are in the long run, ideologically trying to limit the size of government?

Other than some Repubs in the House...nope.

17 posted on 11/23/2003 11:54:28 AM PST by RJCogburn ("You've bested no one when you've bested a fool"........Texas Ranger LeBoeuf)
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To: maui_hawaii
If it were up to Hillary the govt would run the whole thing. And the local govt office would tell you and me where we can go to the doctor...

True.

So?

18 posted on 11/23/2003 11:55:52 AM PST by RJCogburn ("You've bested no one when you've bested a fool"........Texas Ranger LeBoeuf)
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To: maui_hawaii
It could well be the choice between a little "New Deal" and and BIG "New Deal"...

Goin' to Hell, but just a little more slowly.....

19 posted on 11/23/2003 11:56:56 AM PST by RJCogburn ("You've bested no one when you've bested a fool"........Texas Ranger LeBoeuf)
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To: RJCogburn
Posts 15 and 16 are what I want to know about.

As I have slightly less than 40 more years of work ahead of me, I am concerned about the big picture.

20 posted on 11/23/2003 11:58:50 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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