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NYT: F.B.I. Scrutinizes Antiwar Rallies
The NYT ^ | Nov. 23, 2003 | ERIC LICHTBLAU

Posted on 11/22/2003 12:22:08 PM PST by summer

NYTimes.com > National

F.B.I. Scrutinizes Antiwar Rallies

By ERIC LICHTBLAU

Published: November 23, 2003

WASHINGTON, Nov. 22 — The Federal Bureau of Investigation has collected extensive information on the tactics, training and organization of antiwar demonstrators and has advised local law enforcement officials to report any suspicious activity at protests to its counterterrorism squads, according to interviews and a confidential bureau memorandum.

The memorandum, which the bureau sent to local law enforcement agencies last month in advance of antiwar demonstrations in Washington and San Francisco, detailed how protesters have sometimes used "training camps" to rehearse for demonstrations, the Internet to raise money and gas masks to defend against tear gas. The memorandum analyzed lawful activities like recruiting demonstrators, as well as illegal activities like using fake documentation to get into a secured site.

F.B.I. officials said in interviews that the intelligence-gathering effort was aimed at identifying anarchists and "extremist elements" plotting violence, not at monitoring the political speech of law-abiding protesters.

The initiative has won the support of some local police, who view it as a critical way to maintain order at large-scale demonstrations. Indeed, some law enforcement officials said they believed the F.B.I.'s approach had helped to ensure that nationwide antiwar demonstrations in recent months, drawing hundreds of thousands of protesters, remained largely free of violence and disruption.

But some civil rights advocates and legal scholars said the monitoring program could signal a return to the abuses of the 1960's and 1970's, when J. Edgar Hoover was the F.B.I. director and agents routinely spied on political protesters like the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

"The F.B.I. is dangerously targeting Americans who are engaged in nothing more than lawful protest and dissent," said Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union. "The line between terrorism and legitimate civil disobedience is blurred, and I have a serious concern about whether we're going back to the days of Hoover."

Herman Schwartz, a constitutional law professor at American University who has written about F.B.I. history, said collecting intelligence at demonstrations is probably legal.

But he added: "As a matter of principle, it has a very serious chilling effect on peaceful demonstration. If you go around telling people, `We're going to ferret out information on demonstrations,' that deters people. People don't want their names and pictures in F.B.I. files."

The abuses of the Hoover era, which included efforts by the F.B.I. to harass and discredit Hoover's political enemies under a program known as Cointelpro, led to tight restrictions on F.B.I. investigations of political activities.

Those restrictions were relaxed significantly last year, when Attorney General John Ashcroft issued guidelines giving agents authority to attend political rallies, mosques and any event "open to the public."

Mr. Ashcroft said the Sept. 11 attacks made it essential that the F.B.I. be allowed to investigate terrorism more aggressively. The bureau's recent strategy in policing demonstrations is an outgrowth of that policy, officials said.

"We're not concerned with individuals who are exercising their constitutional rights," one F.B.I. official said. "But it's obvious that there are individuals capable of violence at these events. We know that there are anarchists that are actively involved in trying to sabotage and commit acts of violence at these different events, and we also know that these large gatherings would be a prime target for terrorist groups."

Civil rights advocates, relying largely on anecdotal evidence, have complained for months that federal officials have surreptitiously sought to suppress the First Amendment rights of antiwar demonstrators.

Critics of the Bush administration's Iraq policy, for instance, have sued the government to learn how their names ended up on a "no fly" list used to stop suspected terrorists from boarding planes. Civil rights advocates have accused federal and local authorities in Denver and Fresno, Calif., of spying on antiwar demonstrators or infiltrating planning meetings. And the New York Police Department this year questioned many of those arrested at demonstrations about their political affiliations, before halting the practice and expunging the data in the face of public criticism.

The F.B.I. memorandum, however, appears to offer the first corroboration of a coordinated, nationwide effort to collect intelligence regarding demonstrations.

The memorandum, circulated on Oct. 15 — just 10 days before many thousands gathered in Washington and San Francisco to protest the American occupation of Iraq — noted that the bureau "possesses no information indicating that violent or terrorist activities are being planned as part of these protests" and that "most protests are peaceful events."

But it pointed to violence at protests against the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank as evidence of potential disruption. Law enforcement officials said in interviews that they had become particularly concerned about the ability of antigovernment groups to exploit demonstrations and promote a violent agenda.

"What a great opportunity for an act of terrorism, when all your resources are dedicated to some big event and you let your guard down," a law enforcement official involved in securing recent demonstrations said. "What would the public say if we didn't look for criminal activity and intelligence at these events?"

The memorandum urged local law enforcement officials "to be alert to these possible indicators of protest activity and report any potentially illegal acts" to counterterrorism task forces run by the F.B.I. It warned about an array of threats, including homemade bombs and the formation of human chains.

The memorandum discussed demonstrators' "innovative strategies," like the videotaping of arrests as a means of "intimidation" against the police. And it noted that protesters "often use the Internet to recruit, raise funds and coordinate their activities prior to demonstrations."

"Activists may also make use of training camps to rehearse tactics and counter-strategies for dealing with the police and to resolve any logistical issues," the memorandum continued. It also noted that protesters may raise money to help pay for lawyers for those arrested.

F.B.I. counterterrorism officials developed the intelligence cited in the memorandum through firsthand observation, informants, public sources like the Internet and other methods, officials said.

Officials said the F.B.I. treats demonstrations no differently than other large-scale and vulnerable gatherings. The aim, they said, was not to monitor protesters but to gather intelligence.

Critics said they remained worried. "What the F.B.I. regards as potential terrorism," Mr. Romero of the A.C.L.U. said, "strikes me as civil disobedience."


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To: Travis McGee
It is a little difficult.

X guy/group gives big sum to Anti America Non Profit like Planned Parenthood, ACLU, Club Sierra or _______________?

The Anti America Non Profit takes out a handling charge of 20 to 40% and writes a check to the Anti Peace Group for the remainder.

So who is guilty here? X guy/group, the board of the Anti America Non Profit, or the little scumbags who donate to the Anti America Non Profit?
61 posted on 11/23/2003 8:59:37 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy Warbucks, has owned the DemonicRats for decades!)
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To: summer
The Federal Bureau of Investigation has collected extensive information on the tactics, training and organization of antiwar demonstrators and has advised local law enforcement officials to report any suspicious activity at protests to its counterterrorism squads, according to interviews and a confidential bureau memorandum.

Good. These commies (admittedly) are supporting the terrorists. If the FBI weren't keeping tabs on them - THEN I'd be worried.

62 posted on 11/23/2003 9:23:36 AM PST by concerned about politics ( "Satire". It's Just "Satire.".......So it is.)
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To: jmt576; Little Bill; BostonianRightist; ElectricStrawberry; djjava; jacket
whats our next gig?
63 posted on 11/23/2003 9:38:25 AM PST by guinnessboy
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To: Grampa Dave; Travis McGee
I wonder who is filling the KGB's shoes today? The Saudis? George Soros? The Chinese?

I read Lunev's book and have been amazed that the financial support hasn't been closely scrutinized, identified and stopped in its tracks, to avoid a repeat of what Lunev describes and you posted.

My guess is that all three of the above groups are filling the KGB boots today, although probably not coordinated.

64 posted on 11/23/2003 10:20:55 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
My guess is that all three of the above groups are filling the KGB boots today, although probably not coordinated.

I think the propaganda is failing this time because of the age of communications. People have media choices now. Before, all they had were the liberal medias assisting the KGB.
Today, we have more news outlets to report the real story about these groups. People aren't being decieved as they were back then. FOX (plus informative radio comentaries, pro-American journalists...etc.) reported the Communist/Socialist ties of A.N.S.W.E.R., and the internet has the info all over the place.

65 posted on 11/23/2003 11:13:45 AM PST by concerned about politics ( "Satire". It's Just "Satire.".......So it is.)
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To: Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER; Travis McGee; RandallFlagg; PhilDragoo; GatekeeperBookman; ...
Like the cases below, I think we have some strong evidence that an open society (which I would never argue we should change -- ever) is highly vulnerable to infiltration, manipulation, and political division from within:

On thread about Laden/Iraq connection - Laurie Mylroie discusses links
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1027288/posts?page=11#11

Thread asserting KGB initiated certain JFK conspiracy theories:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1027194/posts

I think these situations suggest a strong need for forums like Free Republic where people who are more immune to manipulation against their country can look for impropriety and call foul when necessary. Sometimes I regret that our forum is visible to non-US networks, but then again, our weakness can become a strength when evaluated as a whole: free flow of information will ultimately save our necks because it means fewer people stay fooled for a shorter amount of time (I believe).
66 posted on 11/23/2003 3:40:31 PM PST by risk
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To: Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER; Travis McGee; RandallFlagg; PhilDragoo; GatekeeperBookman; ...
By the way, in addition to Laurie Mylroie's
brave writing, Jayna Davis (a reporter who was in OKC at the time of the bombing) has her own website at http://www.jaynadavis.com/. JBS also has a web page on the OKC bombing where their New American articles and other links are collected: http://www.thenewamerican.com/focus/okc/

The media and the Clinton administration may have both come to the independent conclusion that it wasn't politically correct to discuss a mideast connection to OKC (if it indeed exists). It just goes to show how something extremely important to American domestic security can be swept under the carpet because of the cowardice of poor leadership in our government and in the press.

Combine our internal lack of conviction with outside funding and inside manipulation by academic, media, and government moles paid for by our oil rich and large state enemies, we have a serious vulnerability.
67 posted on 11/23/2003 3:49:42 PM PST by risk
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To: risk
bttt
68 posted on 11/23/2003 4:21:59 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
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69 posted on 11/23/2003 4:36:21 PM PST by patton (I wish we could all look at the evil of abortion with the pure, honest heart of a child.)
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To: concerned about politics
I think the propaganda is failing this time because of the age of communications.

I think you're right, but they'll continue to try and will succeed with the usual sheeple.

I'm hoping for a huge blowback on the attempted propaganda come 11-04.

70 posted on 11/23/2003 4:45:42 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: risk
Great points in #66 & 67.
71 posted on 11/23/2003 4:59:32 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
>>> I'm hoping for a huge blowback on the attempted propaganda come 11-04.

Solution: *factual* and *understated* presentation of data indicating that some highly placed pols, editors, career government officials, and educators are either shirking their duty or verging on selling out to parties only interested in our destruction.

People like Vidal, who denounce our country, seem to forget that their very freedom to do so (even in Italy and France) has only been preserved by our so-called "oppressive" military industrial complex. A complex staffed by people who love liberty as much as life. (As much in government as in R&D and in combat.)

We need to get the word out about the Clinton machine. We also need to get the word out on Bush's ultimate honor and humanity. Even if he's linked to big oil, that actually isn't a strike against him. Oil is *critical* to the west's productivity and strength. Anyone working in the oil industry is a first rate patriot as long as they keep their advocacy above board and remain committed to democracy as opposed to totalitarian governments to maintain our access to oil.
72 posted on 11/23/2003 5:43:06 PM PST by risk
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To: summer
NYT: F.B.I. Scrutinizes Antiwar Rallies

It's about damn time.

73 posted on 11/23/2003 5:46:04 PM PST by b4its2late (The only substitute for good manners is faster reflexes.)
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To: risk
Anyone working in the oil industry is a first rate patriot as long as they keep their advocacy above board and remain committed to democracy as opposed to totalitarian governments to maintain our access to oil.

Agree with your solution and have been practicing it wherever and whenever I can, emails, letters to Editors, letters to senators, representatives, friends, etc.

Thanks for the compliment on an industry I love and have been actively exploring in for some 25 years. We always get the JR Ewing treatment in the press.

74 posted on 11/23/2003 5:49:45 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: summer; kristinn; Angelwood; tgslTakoma; Doctor Raoul; BillF
Re: FBI scrutinizing "anti-war rallies."

They are idiots if they don't.

75 posted on 11/23/2003 6:04:25 PM PST by sauropod ("Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt")
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To: BOBTHENAILER
>>> Thanks for the compliment on an industry I love and have been actively exploring in for some 25 years.

You're welcome, and thanks for helping keep my gas tanks full, plastics innovating monthly, and our agriculture as productive as ever. I think we need alternative fuels and chemical sources, but that will come in time.

The big difference I see in the Bush administration as opposed to Nixon's, Reagan's, and LBJ's is one of greater concern for humanity. In the absence of a fiery hot cold war, we feel we can afford to "do things right." That's another positive side of Bush that is overlooked by the center and the left!
76 posted on 11/23/2003 6:08:36 PM PST by risk
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To: summer
"The F.B.I. is dangerously targeting Americans who are engaged in nothing more than lawful protest and dissent," said Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union. "The line between terrorism and legitimate civil disobedience is blurred, and I have a serious concern about whether we're going back to the days of Hoover."

Let me break out the Crayolas for you Mr. Romero. If it were only lawful protest and dissent, you would not hear a peep out of me.

They are engaged in TREASON!!!

Clear enough?

77 posted on 11/23/2003 6:09:17 PM PST by sauropod ("Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt")
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To: Jackson Brown
I;d like to know more. Who was the Anarchist?
78 posted on 11/23/2003 6:16:07 PM PST by sauropod ("Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt")
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
Precisely.
79 posted on 11/23/2003 6:24:05 PM PST by sauropod ("Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt")
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To: jmt576
Already happened.
80 posted on 11/23/2003 6:27:04 PM PST by sauropod ("Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt")
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