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NYT: F.B.I. Scrutinizes Antiwar Rallies
The NYT ^ | Nov. 23, 2003 | ERIC LICHTBLAU

Posted on 11/22/2003 12:22:08 PM PST by summer

NYTimes.com > National

F.B.I. Scrutinizes Antiwar Rallies

By ERIC LICHTBLAU

Published: November 23, 2003

WASHINGTON, Nov. 22 — The Federal Bureau of Investigation has collected extensive information on the tactics, training and organization of antiwar demonstrators and has advised local law enforcement officials to report any suspicious activity at protests to its counterterrorism squads, according to interviews and a confidential bureau memorandum.

The memorandum, which the bureau sent to local law enforcement agencies last month in advance of antiwar demonstrations in Washington and San Francisco, detailed how protesters have sometimes used "training camps" to rehearse for demonstrations, the Internet to raise money and gas masks to defend against tear gas. The memorandum analyzed lawful activities like recruiting demonstrators, as well as illegal activities like using fake documentation to get into a secured site.

F.B.I. officials said in interviews that the intelligence-gathering effort was aimed at identifying anarchists and "extremist elements" plotting violence, not at monitoring the political speech of law-abiding protesters.

The initiative has won the support of some local police, who view it as a critical way to maintain order at large-scale demonstrations. Indeed, some law enforcement officials said they believed the F.B.I.'s approach had helped to ensure that nationwide antiwar demonstrations in recent months, drawing hundreds of thousands of protesters, remained largely free of violence and disruption.

But some civil rights advocates and legal scholars said the monitoring program could signal a return to the abuses of the 1960's and 1970's, when J. Edgar Hoover was the F.B.I. director and agents routinely spied on political protesters like the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

"The F.B.I. is dangerously targeting Americans who are engaged in nothing more than lawful protest and dissent," said Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union. "The line between terrorism and legitimate civil disobedience is blurred, and I have a serious concern about whether we're going back to the days of Hoover."

Herman Schwartz, a constitutional law professor at American University who has written about F.B.I. history, said collecting intelligence at demonstrations is probably legal.

But he added: "As a matter of principle, it has a very serious chilling effect on peaceful demonstration. If you go around telling people, `We're going to ferret out information on demonstrations,' that deters people. People don't want their names and pictures in F.B.I. files."

The abuses of the Hoover era, which included efforts by the F.B.I. to harass and discredit Hoover's political enemies under a program known as Cointelpro, led to tight restrictions on F.B.I. investigations of political activities.

Those restrictions were relaxed significantly last year, when Attorney General John Ashcroft issued guidelines giving agents authority to attend political rallies, mosques and any event "open to the public."

Mr. Ashcroft said the Sept. 11 attacks made it essential that the F.B.I. be allowed to investigate terrorism more aggressively. The bureau's recent strategy in policing demonstrations is an outgrowth of that policy, officials said.

"We're not concerned with individuals who are exercising their constitutional rights," one F.B.I. official said. "But it's obvious that there are individuals capable of violence at these events. We know that there are anarchists that are actively involved in trying to sabotage and commit acts of violence at these different events, and we also know that these large gatherings would be a prime target for terrorist groups."

Civil rights advocates, relying largely on anecdotal evidence, have complained for months that federal officials have surreptitiously sought to suppress the First Amendment rights of antiwar demonstrators.

Critics of the Bush administration's Iraq policy, for instance, have sued the government to learn how their names ended up on a "no fly" list used to stop suspected terrorists from boarding planes. Civil rights advocates have accused federal and local authorities in Denver and Fresno, Calif., of spying on antiwar demonstrators or infiltrating planning meetings. And the New York Police Department this year questioned many of those arrested at demonstrations about their political affiliations, before halting the practice and expunging the data in the face of public criticism.

The F.B.I. memorandum, however, appears to offer the first corroboration of a coordinated, nationwide effort to collect intelligence regarding demonstrations.

The memorandum, circulated on Oct. 15 — just 10 days before many thousands gathered in Washington and San Francisco to protest the American occupation of Iraq — noted that the bureau "possesses no information indicating that violent or terrorist activities are being planned as part of these protests" and that "most protests are peaceful events."

But it pointed to violence at protests against the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank as evidence of potential disruption. Law enforcement officials said in interviews that they had become particularly concerned about the ability of antigovernment groups to exploit demonstrations and promote a violent agenda.

"What a great opportunity for an act of terrorism, when all your resources are dedicated to some big event and you let your guard down," a law enforcement official involved in securing recent demonstrations said. "What would the public say if we didn't look for criminal activity and intelligence at these events?"

The memorandum urged local law enforcement officials "to be alert to these possible indicators of protest activity and report any potentially illegal acts" to counterterrorism task forces run by the F.B.I. It warned about an array of threats, including homemade bombs and the formation of human chains.

The memorandum discussed demonstrators' "innovative strategies," like the videotaping of arrests as a means of "intimidation" against the police. And it noted that protesters "often use the Internet to recruit, raise funds and coordinate their activities prior to demonstrations."

"Activists may also make use of training camps to rehearse tactics and counter-strategies for dealing with the police and to resolve any logistical issues," the memorandum continued. It also noted that protesters may raise money to help pay for lawyers for those arrested.

F.B.I. counterterrorism officials developed the intelligence cited in the memorandum through firsthand observation, informants, public sources like the Internet and other methods, officials said.

Officials said the F.B.I. treats demonstrations no differently than other large-scale and vulnerable gatherings. The aim, they said, was not to monitor protesters but to gather intelligence.

Critics said they remained worried. "What the F.B.I. regards as potential terrorism," Mr. Romero of the A.C.L.U. said, "strikes me as civil disobedience."


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antiwarrallies; counterterrorism; cwii; fbi; terrorists
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To: Mo1
Hey, I'm ecstatic to have a bigger version of the pic. I'll throw it up on my fotki space later so I'll have quick access to it. I think that pic should get the widest possible exposure.
41 posted on 11/22/2003 7:45:58 PM PST by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: Maigrey
"The rats and communists will be the first ones to scream when some terrorist releases a bomb in their midst"

Would releasing a bomb in the midst of rats and communists be terrorism?
42 posted on 11/22/2003 8:42:03 PM PST by dsc
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To: summer
it has a very serious chilling effect on peaceful demonstration

Everything seems to have a "chilling effect" on the left. Somebody buy them sweaters, already.

43 posted on 11/22/2003 9:26:13 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (I'm a racist, you're a racist, we're all racists, hey!)
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To: Jeff Chandler
It's very simple. If what the protestors do is legal, let 'em do it. If it's illegal, stop them, and use whatever force is necessary. Once they start throwing deadly objects like rocks, I think the "rubber" in "rubber bullets" can be abandoned.

-sdk
44 posted on 11/22/2003 10:19:03 PM PST by sdk7x7 ("This time I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end.")
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To: FreedomPoster
Masked traitor, giving aid and comfort to our terrorist enemies in wartime.

Hang him.


45 posted on 11/22/2003 11:05:52 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: FreedomPoster
Just as a "friendly reminder" to the traitors and domestic enemies in our midst:

this is what we used to do to traitors in wartime.

It's time to take the gloves off and bring back the practice of hanging traitors.

We're in a war.

46 posted on 11/22/2003 11:09:46 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
For some reason, I think that I should put this link in here for y'all..
47 posted on 11/23/2003 12:37:50 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: RandallFlagg; Matthew James; Grampa Dave; Sabertooth; dennisw; Squantos; harpseal
Look what I found when I googled up KGB funding of the VN antiwar movement. This was the first of dozens of hits.
To understand what really happened we should consider the statements of Col. Stanislav Lunev, a high-ranking Russian defector to the United States. Lunev worked for the GRU, which is the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Soviet (now Russian) General Staff. According to Lunev, the GRU believed itself responsible for North Vietnam's final victory. In Lunev's book, "Through the Eyes of the Enemy," he says that his GRU instructors and superiors would not directly claim credit, but "they strongly implied that the GRU was responsible for the Vietnamese success."

How was this success supposedly achieved?

According to Lunev, the GRU and KGB "helped to fund just about every antiwar movement and organization in America and abroad." This funding, said Lunev, was provided "via undercover operatives or front organizations." More amazing still, Lunev claims that the GRU and KGB "had a larger budget for antiwar propaganda in the United States than it did for economic and military support of the Vietnamese."

In other words, Russia's antiwar propaganda campaign against the American effort in Vietnam had cost the Kremlin over $1 billion. And look how well it worked. As Lunev recounts in his book, "it was a hugely successful campaign and well worth the cost. The antiwar sentiment created an incredible momentum that greatly weakened the U.S. military."

In other words, U.S. military victories were negated by communist propaganda victories in the United States. While the communists were being slaughtered in futile offensive attacks against Vietnam, the American people were being systematically convinced that the war was hopeless. Allied victories were overshadowed by intensive GRU-KGB propaganda. In fact, the United States was almost destabilized by Russian propaganda.


I wonder who is filling the KGB's shoes today? The Saudis? George Soros? The Chinese?
48 posted on 11/23/2003 1:05:45 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Great job!
Now if we could find some concrete links as to who's funding moveon.org......
49 posted on 11/23/2003 1:09:50 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: RandallFlagg; river rat; patton
My money would be on George Soros, via some "foundations" as cutouts.
50 posted on 11/23/2003 1:11:36 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee; archy
With those posts, it dawns on me that this is a CWII thread.

And yes, that would be appropriate.
51 posted on 11/23/2003 3:53:41 AM PST by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: Travis McGee; FreedomPoster
"It's time to take the gloves off and bring back the practice of hanging traitors."

"We're at war."

We should start with klintoon, and work our way down.

52 posted on 11/23/2003 4:18:00 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: summer
when do you think they'll start scrutinizing the NYT?!!
53 posted on 11/23/2003 4:24:04 AM PST by mo
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To: Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; cgk; clamper1797; dpa5923; Eaker; Faraday; farmguy; FierceDraka; ...
With those posts, it dawns on me that this is a CWII thread.

And yes, that would be appropriate.

Concur. CWII ping:!

-archy-/-

54 posted on 11/23/2003 4:24:10 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: All
From Drudge

TIMECNN POLL:

Most Registered Voters Would Choose Bush


Fri Nov 21 2003 19:44:24 ET

New York – If the 2004 Presidential election was held today, registered voters surveyed for TIME/CNN would choose President George W. Bush over any of the declared Democratic candidates.

In a direct run against Bush, Gen. Wesley Clark fares the best among registered voters (Clark 42%, Bush 49%), closely followed by Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry (Kerry 41%, Bush 49%).

Bush would beat any of three other Democrats, 52 percent to 39 percent, in a direct match: Missouri Rep. Dick Gephardt, Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman, or Vermont Gov. Howard Dean. Against Bush, North Carolina Sen. John Edwards would lose, 38 percent to 52 percent.

When registered Democrats are asked which Democratic presidential nominee they would vote for, Dean edges out Clark 14 percent to 12 percent, followed Lieberman (11%), Kerry (9%), Gephardt (6%), then Edwards and the Rev. Al Sharpton (5%).

The TIME/CNN Poll, conducted November 18-19, 2003 by HarrisInteractive, surveyed 1,330 registered voters by telephone. The margin of error is +/-2.7% points for registered voters, and +/-4.7% for Democratic voters surveyed for TIME/CNN.

Developing...
55 posted on 11/23/2003 4:38:31 AM PST by summer
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To: summer
Interesting Information I have Read in the Book Seven Myths of Gun Control. In 1994 Bill Commie Clinton started babbling along with the Enough is Enough Topic. Bill the Commie promoted a number of extreme measures, including his new plan for allowing police to conduct random Gun searches in public housing projects without warrants. Naturally this is a case of Flagrant Violations of those People in question Rights. Not one word about this was found in the NY Times and to the best of my Knowledge neither a word from the ACLU. However, protecting Americans during these so Called Peaceful Demonstrations by the FBI is a Violation of the Commies Rights according to the NY times and the ACLU. Thanks for my Say.
56 posted on 11/23/2003 6:44:28 AM PST by Eldorado431
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To: tarheal
I started to laugh at your brilliant satire, until it struck me that it's too close to the truth to be all that funny.
57 posted on 11/23/2003 8:00:28 AM PST by Stultis
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To: Travis McGee; risk; PhilDragoo; BOBTHENAILER
This is an excellent find.

Thanks for finding it, posting it and the ping.

How much of the world wide and USA so called peace movement has been financed by SoreA$$ and the Opecker Princes/Mullahs/Thugs in the past decade after the USSR became history.

How many former KGBers without a job in Russia are working for SoreA$$ and his Opecker buddies to create these anti war/America/Israel groups around the world?

The photos from the recent so called peace protest in London showed expensive and professional placards, handouts, and banners stacked up in advance for the renta mob in London. That was well financed and organized. Most of these renta protestors are so drugged out, they are incapable of spelling War let along Peace.
58 posted on 11/23/2003 8:15:57 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy Warbucks, has owned the DemonicRats for decades!)
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To: Grampa Dave
I hope we don't have to wait until 20 years later to find out where the money is coming from.

We need to trace the money NOW so that we can indict the pro-terrorist front groups and persons NOW.

59 posted on 11/23/2003 8:29:55 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: jempet
If protesters aren't doing something wrong, they have nothing to fear from the Feds.

I'm not on the side of the anti-war nutcakes, but DAMN I despise this horrific "logic".

(Gee, let's put cobras in the child's bed... as long as he doesn't react, he has nothing to fear, right?)

60 posted on 11/23/2003 8:54:18 AM PST by Teacher317
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