Bio-chip Implant Ready For Cashless Society

WND ^ | November 21, 2003

[_Jim]

Then take it personal (is that what you meant?).

I just think you're 'throwing things out there' based on your 'consumer experience' is all - did I nail it?

[RS]

I just think you're 'throwing things out there' based on your 'consumer experience' is all - did I nail it?"

If it matters - Nope - wrong again....

Hint- reread my comments - look for the "I"

How many "consumers" put up 10 meter dishes 25 years ago ?

[_Jim]

I don't know what your point is; from my perspective you seem to have little grasp of the underlying physics of GPS, RF path loss or the various factors involved/to be overcome in implementing implantable GPS receivers ...

Sure, ANYTHING is possible given enough time and money going forward into the future; you're MORE LIKELY to get implantable devices that work with close proximity RF 'sensors'/magnetic-field generating 'interrogators' THAN anything space-based in geosynchrnous orbit is MY point - ATTEPMTS to drag such factual issues as the inefficiecy of a micro-miniature flesh-buried device w/antenna were side-stepped ...

[Stew Padasso]

LOL! Yeah, I have a soft spot for kids looking to earn money for odd jobs. It kills my wife though, I hand out money for things I should be doing, like cleaning the car, mowing etc. But you have to honor and respect good old capitalism and kids willing to rise above and leave the rest in the dust. I don't mind taking part in fostering that ambition and drive.

[RS]

"I don't know what your point is; from my perspective you seem to have little grasp of the underlying physics of GPS, RF path loss or the various factors involved/to be overcome in implementing implantable GPS receivers ... "

Anyone with a little knowledge can run the numbers and look at what's available and say they can't do it ... There is no "magic" in mathematics.

... and dogonit you're right ! We can't do it now...

... but to blanketly assert that these factors will never be overcome is absurd.

New systems like Nanotechnology and DNA based computing will bring advances that appear to be way beyond your limited scope.

Getting back to GPS tracking, the backhaul is the problem, not the receiving of the GPS signal. Even today the ONStar system uses analog cellular for its backhaul, not Sat tranmissions. The ill-fated Iridium system appears to be the physically smallest uplink available today , although the Nautical EPS ( EPIRB ? - I forget ) system works well on a much lower transmit frequency.

Without a functional backhaul, the receiving end of it makes little sense.

[_Jim]

Getting back to GPS tracking, the backhaul is the problem,

Hey - that's usually my line ... but, with microminature impalted devices there is even more reduction in antenna capture area and capture area relates directly to signal strength thereby reendering an even WEAKER GPS receive signal ...

Speaking of backhaul - THERE are other nation-wide non-cellular data-backhaulers commercially operating out there, right now, as a matter of fact; they exist both in the "Narrow PCS" spectrum and elsewhere - such companies as WebLink Wireless and Skytel (Yes, paging providers using ReFlex 25 and ReFlex 50 2-way data networks).

OnStar, BTW, is migrating over to the 'digital' standards (I don't know right now which one right off hand though).

but to blanketly assert that these factors will never be overcome is absurd.

NEVER said that - DID say this though: "given enough time and money going INTO the future ..."

[RS]

"NEVER said that - ...DID say this though: "given enough time and money going INTO the future ..."

... the problems will be overcome and Sat tracking via implantable chips will become commonplace ... ?

( naw... don't think you said that... :-)



I'm sending this message to be read by people in the future... just not very far :-)

[_Jim]

.. the problems will be overcome and Sat tracking via implantable chips will become commonplace ... ?

I don't see it happening, to tell you the truth, for a variety of reasons a number some of which I have outlined; the "systems RF path-loss budget" looks dismal (using GPS technology per se - something terrestrial is a different story depending on parameters and this doesn't address transpond/respond/'data backhaul' issues) as does the means of 'powering' such devices - even cochlear implants today require external power from batteries coupled in across the skin barrier magnetically together with an external battery powered 'processor' - 'power' required from the human body does not seem to be easily extracted ... now, if you could find a major blood vessel/supply to tap, then you could mimic bodily functions and use sugars/food stuffs, etc like the body does. Or perhaps "hydro/blood-power" via a small spinning turbine or ??? in an artery just past the heart ...

[_Jim]

Of interest/relevant:

Human Powered Wearable Computing

http://web.media.mit.edu/~testarne/TR328/main-tr328.html

Abstract:

Batteries add size, weight, and inconvenience to present day mobile computers. This paper explores the possibility of harnessing the energy expended during the user's everyday actions to generate power for his computer, thus eliminating the impediment of batteries. An analysis of power generation through leg motion is presented in depth, and a survey of less practical methods such as generation by breath or blood pressure, body heat, and finger and limb motion is also presented.

[mrobison]

Right on.

My brothers and I used to do this all the time when we were kids (go door to door looking to earn some $$ doing yard work, etc.) and always felt great when we finished a job and could replenish our spending money.

You never see kids doing this now. Too bad.

[Cvengr]

There may be more effective pathways ala neural networks emulated in the local vicinity of the subject. Not beyond the realm of possible solutions.

[_Jim]

There may be more effective pathways ala neural networks emulated in the local vicinity of the subject.

For what purpose - where in the picture of 'tracking a subject' does this play a part?

(I'm having trouble seeing where this applies.)

[Cvengr]

If a local network could identify the subject, the local network can also be linked via GPS and plotted. Hence the subject could also be located quickly.

IMHO, there will be more significance to the mark than tracking. I suspect there will be an attempt to correlate the spiritual domain with mental activity, an attempt to then link control over the personal spirit via physical methods. Such is consistent with the intent to establish a mark on all persons and to curtail any transaction except via such a mark. The next step will be to fabricate a counterfeit linkage to a false god with an attempt to remove all worship of the true God and replace it with a counterfeit system independent of Him.

[_Jim]

If a local network could identify the subject, the local network can also be linked via GPS and plotted. Hence the subject could also be located quickly.

Huh?

I don't know if you're following our previous discussion very closely ... you've digressed into something that's already been touched on; that is, local, terrestrially located 'interrogators' (sensors) that would query an implanted 'chip' (I HATE that term, I will call them devices since, to me, 'chips' are bare 'dies' that have just been cut from a processed wafer) and work with a much larger 'network' from there ...

Wireless library-book inventory 'scanners' come to mind.

So do wireless 'toll-tags' as used on cars ...

Theses last two technolgies are not 'location' technologes though NOR are they capable of working without *local* infrastructure like out in a cornfield in the middle of Iowa ...

[RS]

"even cochlear implants today require external power from batteries coupled in across the skin barrier magnetically together with an external battery powered 'processor'"

Shhhh... You're not suposed to let the sheeple know that all those "sensors" in the stores are actually recharging the little buggers when you walk through them....

I do like the hydro-power idea, but I'm kind of tilting towards peizo.

[RS]

"I suspect there will be an attempt to correlate the spiritual domain with mental activity, an attempt to then link control over the personal spirit via physical methods."


... Kind of negates the concept of "free will" dosen't it ? I guess that would let them off the hook regarding their actions as far as God is concerned...

[Cvengr]

On the contrary, it may be the reason why the Holy Spirit is removed at that time. Man might still exercise free will without the mark, and remaining perseverent unto the first death, still have salvation,...but I suspect it'll be a lot tougher.

For those who receive the mark, their destiny has already been written.

[Wolfhound777]

What makes you think this will all be done by satellite? Most everything is controlled through ground stations relatively close to the items being tracked and only then sent up to satellite for the purpose of transmitting the information gathered on the ground in close proximity to the subject to some distant location. The satellite itself tracked nothing.