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Thousands of pistols seized in raids
The Sun Herald ^ | Nov 16, 2003 | By Alex Mitchell, Amy Lawson and Jim O'Rourke

Posted on 11/21/2003 12:59:17 PM PST by neverdem

Killer punch ... The haul of key-ring-sized pistols yesterday indicated there had been a 'frightening development' in Sydney's gun culture.Photo: Tamara Dean

It's as small as a cigarette lighter. But it packs a killer punch.

Police yesterday revealed they had discovered a frightening haul of key-ring-sized pistols after a series of raids across Sydney.

They also announced they had found a huge number of gun parts - indicating that a crime syndicate was manufacturing and about to distribute up to 2500 of the mini-guns.

A worrying 813 ready-made weapons, each worth $1500 on the black market, were seized.

The key-ring guns can be used at short range and usually are discarded after one firing. They can be loaded with two .32 calibre bullets and are fired by pressing a button.

Australian Crime Commission Detective Superintendent Mark Jenkins said inquiries were continuing to determine whether the guns and the parts had been imported.

NSW Premier Bob Carr yesterday warned of a "frightening development" in Sydney's gun culture.

The raids, which included searches at homes on the South Coast, netted 753 illegal firearms and spare parts.

Mr Carr praised police for the haul, which has a street value of $4.6 million and is believed to be the single largest seizure of illegal firearms in Australia.

The haul from eight locations included two handguns, a machine-gun, and a number of stun guns.

Jubilant police said they had "smashed" a large illegal firearms syndicate that was about to sell these weapons to criminals.

Despite his triumphant mood, the Premier conceded he was disturbed by the discovery of weapons parts.

"This is a frightening new development because all the guns up until now have been 100 per cent imported," he said.

He said the successful raids proved NSW police had the resources, powers and numbers to fight the criminal syndicates believed responsible for the escalating gun violence and revenge killings which have haunted his Government.

"It vindicates my faith in the capacity of police to bear down on the crime that we've seen in Sydney's south-west," Mr Carr said.

Police made a series of raids across Sydney on Friday after an intensive four-month investigation by the NSW Police Firearms and Regulated Industries Crime Squad, the Australian Crime Commission and the NSW Crime Commission.

Seven people were arrested during the simultaneous raids, and six people came before a court yesterday.

Six houses, a rural property and commercial premises were raided at Kareela, Kingsgrove, Brighton, Merrylands, Campsie, Bexley North, The Oaks and Thirroul.

Mr Carr applauded the raids saying: "This is a terrific breakthrough.

"Make no mistake about it, this is a major victory in the fight against illegal firearms and the criminals who traffic in them," he said.

Five men and one woman appeared in Parramatta Bail Court yesterday charged with firearms offences following the police raids.

Police prosecutor Sergeant Brendan Searson said the key-ring pistols located in the raids could be for use in an "assassination attempt" or "any offence where concealment would be needed".

Police allegedly found 220 guns as well as ammunition in the garage of one couple's home.

Mike Tsanis, 48, and Sue Tsanis, 43, appeared in court charged with two offences in relation to the sale and possession of prohibited firearms.

Both were refused bail.

A further 18 key-ring pistols were allegedly located in the wardrobe of another home during a police search warrant conducted on Friday.

John Simos, 55, was charged with three offences in relation to the possession and unlawful sale of firearms and ammunition.

Sergeant Searson said Simos was "a main player in these series of offences", which carry a 20-year maximum term.

Simos's application for bail was denied by Registrar Brian Fenn.

Three other men - Kenneth Graham Levy, 51, Steven Geoffrey McNally, 40, and Joseph Zammit, 55 - who also came before the court charged with firearms offences in relation to the raids, did not apply for bail. They remained in custody and their hearing was adjourned to Central Local Court tomorrow.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; guncontrol; gunculture; gunprohibition
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Say a prayer for our sisters and brothers down under.
1 posted on 11/21/2003 12:59:18 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Take the real guns away from law-abiding people and this is what happens. Tiny brains make for tiny guns although I wouldn't say that a 32 cal isn't exactly tiny. I'd be pretty careful sitting down with one of those things in a front pocket.
2 posted on 11/21/2003 1:05:15 PM PST by Lee Heggy (In France, 'to speak is to lie, to live is to collaborate' ...)
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To: neverdem
$1500 for a two shot, throw away pistol? I smell a load...
3 posted on 11/21/2003 1:05:25 PM PST by Ol' Sox
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To: neverdem
"Make no mistake about it, this is a major victory in the fight against illegal firearms and the criminals who traffic in them," he said.

Translation: "If it isn't, I'll lose my job soon."

4 posted on 11/21/2003 1:06:22 PM PST by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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5 posted on 11/21/2003 1:10:38 PM PST by Hanging Chad
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To: PoorMuttly
Muttly would look very spiffy with one of these hanging from his collar.
6 posted on 11/21/2003 1:12:56 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: neverdem
Police yesterday revealed they had discovered a frightening haul of key-ring-sized pistols after a series of raids across Sydney.

They also announced they had found a huge number of gun parts - indicating that a crime syndicate was manufacturing and about to distribute up to 2500 of the mini-guns.

Having a 'minigun' as a keyring goody sounds like something I'd do- except that it wouldn't be one of these .22 things...

7 posted on 11/21/2003 1:15:36 PM PST by Riley
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To: Hanging Chad
Ah...Capitalism at it's finest.

Denied the right to self-defense, the black market creates a super-concealable weapon.

The charge for the weapon is absolutely higher than it should be by a factor of $1400 at least...just like drugs.
8 posted on 11/21/2003 1:16:26 PM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Riley
.32 calibre
9 posted on 11/21/2003 1:17:06 PM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Hanging Chad
"two .32 caliber bullets are loaded..."

Sounds like a spitball device. I guess the Aussies don't load cartridges - complete with casing, primer, powder and Pb.

10 posted on 11/21/2003 1:18:07 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Maelstrom
Oops.

I'll take mine in 7.62, though.

http://users.bigpond.net.au/minigun/M134.htm
11 posted on 11/21/2003 1:19:53 PM PST by Riley
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To: Ol' Sox
$1500 for a two shot, throw away pistol? I smell a load...

I could buy a Smith and a Colt for that kinda money. I bet there is a hell of a black market for more traditional iron.

12 posted on 11/21/2003 1:20:08 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: neverdem
No big deal. Anyone can make a hand gun that shoots 44 mag. in 1 hour with less than 5 bucks of common plumbing hardware.

You better be standing right up close to the "target" though.

13 posted on 11/21/2003 1:24:34 PM PST by G.Mason (If they are Democrats they are expendable)
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To: Ol' Sox
I hear 'ya. The only other possibility I can think of is the "crime syndicate" knows you won't be shooting beer bottles with it and won't want to keep it after you've fired it. Still, if I'm gonna spend $1,500 on a gun, it wont' be on that thing.
14 posted on 11/21/2003 1:28:25 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: neverdem
AU$1500 ? for a mini pistol? I guess strict gun control does drive the price up even if it doesn't keep guns out the hand of criminals but only the law abiding. It also generates still more crime when the criminals have to steal something to raise the $$.

You can get an American Derringer Model 1 in .45 ACP for about $410. (and it's no throwaway) Similar guns go for as little as $100 -$150. Or you can get a NAA mini 5 shot revolver in .22WMR for about $200 with almost the same "stopping power" as the .32, and you get 5 shots. Or you can get 7 shots of .32 in almost but not quite, as small a package (still comparable to a pack of cigaretts) for $230 in the Kel Tec P32

15 posted on 11/21/2003 1:29:49 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Ol' Sox
The price stinks and the caliber is weak . . .still . . .would take one if they were giving them away!
16 posted on 11/21/2003 1:34:11 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: El Gato
Thanks for the links. I like that Mag. I believe one of my best friends said he just recently acquired a Colt Vest Pocket, and he invited me downtown to try it on a Friday night. Was the latter designed by John Browning?
17 posted on 11/21/2003 1:42:44 PM PST by neverdem (Say a prayer for New York both for it's lefty statism and the probability the city will be hit again)
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To: neverdem
A worrying 813 ready-made weapons,

The bedwetting leftists are easily "worried". It must suck to be them.

18 posted on 11/21/2003 1:44:32 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: fourdeuce82d; Joe Brower; Travis McGee
BANG
19 posted on 11/21/2003 1:44:43 PM PST by neverdem (Say a prayer for New York both for it's lefty statism and the probability the city will be hit again)
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To: ArrogantBustard
would this keyring pistols be assault weapons?
20 posted on 11/21/2003 1:53:25 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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