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2nd Subway Surfer Dies
NY Newsday ^ | 11/20/03 | Daryl Khan

Posted on 11/21/2003 6:25:21 AM PST by jimkress

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To: Cultural Jihad
Hillary! I thought you were banned! You should stop projecting your desires upon the rest of the FR participants.
41 posted on 11/21/2003 7:38:30 AM PST by jimkress (America has become Soviet Union Lite)
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To: beezdotcom
Your so right. What was I thinking. NY should remove all bridges above all trains. It should also provide wheel chair lifts so people who are unable to climb onto roofs can still exercise their right to surf. Do you think that covers it?
42 posted on 11/21/2003 7:41:28 AM PST by stop_fascism
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To: Camerican; Cultural Jihad
Man.... there is libertarian and then there is fanatical libertarian.

To whom do you refer?

CJ is a nerf-worlder and no libertarian.

And I hardly consider my belief in the right of people to kill themselves in inventive and amusing ways makes me a fanatical libertarian.
In this case I agree with J S Mill that a person of full age is adequately protected by society if he has been warned of the potential danger by the availablity of Warner Brothers cartoons.

43 posted on 11/21/2003 7:42:28 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (You realize, of course, this means war?" B Bunny)
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To: BlueLancer
all I can say is that I hope those "three young adult children" survived your "if it feels good, do it" attitude.

Perhaps I did not make myself clear; I definitely would try to dissuade folks from engaging in this type of behavior. I just know that young people, particularly young males, have a tendency to do this type of behavior and some of the comments posted here are incredibly cruel.

My children are all very different people, but all are very bright and talented young people. I have one thrill-seeker in the bunch. He also happens to be the wittiest, most clever, and absolutely the most athletic of the bunch, all though all three excel at sports. He is the boy every mother wants, and every mother wants her daughter to marry.

His older brother came home from a hiking trip and told us that we did not want to see what his little brother does at Red Rock. We suspected as much because it is a popular rock diving spot and we have warned all the children about this. All I can do is show him the stories in the local paper about the death and paralysis that occur every so often up there. My little dare devil assures me that he knows what he is doing. Heaven help us all.

I guess that is why I am reacting to all the mean things being said about these young men. This could be my son, and with the exception of his need for speed, he leaves every other kid I know in the dust intellectually, personally, socially, and spiritually. Maybe the part of him that makes him so superior to everyone around him is also the force that drives his risky behavior.

You may not want my son on your subway, but if you are ever in a foxhole you could not ask for better company.

44 posted on 11/21/2003 7:44:02 AM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: Zevonismymuse
Well, you are right. Kids do things, and have an amazing lack of judgement. How many of us look back on our teen years, and say, "I can't believe I did that".

I found out my son was making bombs with muriatic acid and tinfoil and blowing them off in fields. I went ballistic. He is so common sense, works hard, etc, I can't believe he was doing that.
45 posted on 11/21/2003 7:44:07 AM PST by I still care
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To: Zevonismymuse
I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD MONITOR YOUR SON'S TV INTAKE......

MTV "JACKASS" is probably what inspires such STUPID thrill seeking these days.

Realise it! Accept it! Then get over it............

46 posted on 11/21/2003 7:48:16 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: stop_fascism
NY should remove all bridges above all trains. It should also provide wheel chair lifts so people who are unable to climb onto roofs can still exercise their right to surf. Do you think that covers it?

You've left out the people who suffer from Siderodromophobia (fear of trains). What's your plan for letting THEM surf....hmmmmm?
47 posted on 11/21/2003 7:49:06 AM PST by beezdotcom
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To: Zevonismymuse
Finally, I am glad that there were idiots like the Wright brothers.

I understand your offense by some of the comments here, but to compare the Wright brothers with these stupid stunts is a bit of a stretch.

Offended or not, the people that do such stupid things do not deserve a lot of compassion. Yes, their loss is just as hurtful as loosing anyone, but that does not correct the idiocy that brought it on.

And to compare this to the risks that the Wright brothers took to bring us flight ... sheesh, what a stretch.

48 posted on 11/21/2003 7:49:58 AM PST by AgThorn (Go go Bush!!)
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To: I still care
I found out my son was making bombs with muriatic acid and tinfoil

I suspect you have a very bright son. Playing with explosives is very foolish, but know how to do it is pretty smart.

49 posted on 11/21/2003 7:50:02 AM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: beezdotcom
the fear of post-mortem ridicule might stop some other young adult child from doing the same thing.

"Fear not them that kill the body, but fear them who, after you are dead, will laugh at you?"

It couldn't work. Could it?

50 posted on 11/21/2003 7:50:57 AM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: Zevonismymuse
"...but if you are ever in a foxhole you could not ask for better company."

Maybe so ... maybe so. I have been, and know that individuals like this can go either way. What I wanted most were young men who were level-headed enough to follow orders given and exercise rational, well-thought-out initiative. Thrill-seekers who think out and plan their activities are one thing: they know the risks and try to plan around them. The other kind of thrill-seeker, who does it just for the rush, without planning or forethought except for how to accomplish this "high", is dangerous, to himself and others, and to the mission.

Luckily, your son sounds like the former.

51 posted on 11/21/2003 7:51:30 AM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: m1-lightning
Good link with a good closing paragraph:

It shouldn't surprise you that not many people decide to take up the sport of Subway Surfing - usually just the bored and the stupid. So, surf the net and surf the ocean - but ride inside the subway train. The view's much better from there and you'll live to tell about it.

52 posted on 11/21/2003 7:54:51 AM PST by AgThorn (Go go Bush!!)
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To: Oztrich Boy
John Stuart Mill was a Roadrunner fan?

Who knew?

BEEP-BEEP!

53 posted on 11/21/2003 7:55:29 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
MTV "JACKASS" is probably what inspires such STUPID thrill seeking these days.

The son in question doesn't watch much television; he is a full time college student and the starting linebacker on his college football team. When he is not playing ball or practicing, he is writing songs or playing with his band. He is also involved in his church, works at the local YMCA and does volunteer work. My son requires a lot more stimulation than watching television.

54 posted on 11/21/2003 7:56:21 AM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: thulldud
"Fear not them that kill the body, but fear them who, after you are dead, will laugh at you?"
It couldn't work. Could it?


I doubt it's what Matthew had in mind when relating Jesus' words...but it's worth a shot.
55 posted on 11/21/2003 7:56:53 AM PST by beezdotcom
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To: Cultural Jihad
It's a same young people died OK, but they were brain dead before the incident occured.
56 posted on 11/21/2003 7:59:48 AM PST by Clean_Sweep
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To: BlueLancer
Luckily, your son sounds like the former.

From the article posted here, most of the time these young men seemed to be conducting themselves in a fashion in which most of us would admire.

57 posted on 11/21/2003 7:59:49 AM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: Oztrich Boy
...that a person of full age is adequately protected by society if he has been warned of the potential danger by the availablity of Warner Brothers cartoons.

In short, Life is hard, its' harder when your stupid....like the Roadrunner and Wiley E. Coyote.

58 posted on 11/21/2003 8:01:20 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: Zevonismymuse
"Finally, I am glad that there were idiots like the Wright brothers."

While it's unfortunate that these two dumbasses died, and it was certainly painful to their families, nothing, NOTHING that they did could EVER justify your comparing their asinine stunts to the Wright brothers' pioneering airplane flights!

NOTHING!!

What those two did was pure Darwinian selection in action, and the gene pool is a better place for it.

59 posted on 11/21/2003 8:03:07 AM PST by Redbob
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To: AnAmericanMother; skinkinthegrass
John Stuart Mill was a Roadrunner fan?
Who knew?

OK I'm slightly extrapolating from
"no one but the person himself can judge of the sufficiency of the motive which may prompt him to incur the risk: in this case, therefore, (unless he is a child, or delirious, or in some state of excitement or absorption incompatible with the full use of the reflecting faculty,) he ought, I conceive, to be only warned of the danger; not forcibly prevented from exposing himself to it." J S Mill On Liberty

60 posted on 11/21/2003 8:12:27 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (You realize, of course, this means war?" B Bunny)
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