U.N.: Seasonal Ozone Hole Disappeared

Yahoo News ^ | 11/20/03

[Libloather]

Sounds like a great time to buy that forth SUV...

[Hodar]

Just a casual observation here. Ozone is created by cosmic energy, which breaks the O2 into O1 (ozone). We have had quite a bit of sun spot activity, thus we have been bombarded by unusually high cosmic radiation. The radiation is the fuel that fires our ozone layer, replenishing the ozone (which really wants to be O2).

Will the flourocarbons (which are really heavy molecules - and how the #%$&* did they get way up there?) once again act as a catalyst and expedite the breakdown of Ozone into O2 again? Will Fred marry Dianne? Stay tuned, same bat channel, same bat time.

[YaYa123]

Maybe the ozone hole disappearing explains Peter Jennings brainfart tonight. At the top of the news, he said, "today in Britain 100,000 marched in protest against Bush and the war".

Brit Hume started his show by saying "1/3 of the expected 100,000 protesters showed up today in London".

Who do you think was telling the truth?

[mombonn]

Must be Bush's fault - oh, wait - it's good news!

[StarCMC]

Oh my gosh -- what a GREAT catch!!! I heard the prediction last night of 100,000 and was really shocked! I just can't believe they would overstate something THAT drastically! </sarcasm >

[Coeur de Lion]

Ozone is O3 not O1 and it's formed by electrical storms in the upper atmosphere, not cosmic rays. It has a distinct odor and can be smelled from anything which generates electrical sparking or which handle large power loads such as motors and transformers.

[paulk]

Several things in this article are not true.

The use of chlorofluorocarbons has been curbed under a global accord and levels of the chemicals in the atmosphere have been declining

There is no evidence of this – many places are increasing the use and it was predicted that the levels in the upper atmosphere may continue to increase.

The lack of ozone can let harmful ultraviolet rays from the sun reach the Earth's surface, causing skin cancer and cataracts, as well as destroying tiny plants and organisms at the beginning of the food chain.

Several non facts rolled up in this one. First, there is always some UV that reaches the surface anyway. Next, the only place that has had any record of more UV is at extreme polar attitudes.

Many chlorofluorocarbons continue to be used in the USA only some have been outlawed.

The idea that chlorofluorocarbons cause the ozone hole is a theory only – it has not been proved in any scientific way. There is a correlation with cold upper atmosphere temperatures and the ozone hole – and despite what you read in the news there is good evidence that the upper atmosphere is cooling and that could be the cause of the bigger longer lasting ozone hole. See : http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/MSU/msusci.html

This link shows the only 'global' temperatures collected by anyone. The above work is by NASA scientists and show the cooling that is ignored by the trust and parrot press.

There is also the problem that the ozone hole data fails to span 10 or more solar cycles – something you would want before jumping to any conclusions IF you were a real scientist.

Please understand there is a big difference between science and belief - a chlorofluorocarbons caused ozone hole is a belief and not science.

[PhilSC]

It has been forming in the extremely low temperatures that mark the end of Antarctic winter every year since the mid-1980s, largely due to chemical pollution.

My understanding is that the first time anyone actually measured the ozone concentration in the Antarctic atmosphere during winter was the early 1980's. My guess is the ozone hole has been around for a lot longer than the 1980's.

[Libertarianize the GOP]

ping

[paulk]

My understanding is that the first time anyone actually measured the ozone concentration in the Antarctic atmosphere during winter was the early 1980's. My guess is the ozone hole has been around for a lot longer than the 1980's.

Correct, there could be a cycle of ozone holes that is related to solar cycles, one could only tell if you wait for several solar cycles to pass.

There is also the problem that people think of this a science anyway as it is an open system where there are any number of uncontrolled variables. It is a theory that arrived at just about the same time as some patents expired. The original theory was based on methane – the biggest source of which is termite mounds in the rain forest.

Non of this means that it is or isn't true – but no one really has a clue as to what the truth is here.

[beelzepug]

Not surprising this was announced by UN officials. They're way out there in the ozone most of the time.

[farmfriend]

Rights, farms, environment ping.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

[tubebender]

Many many many years ago I got ultra violet treatments for Acne and the Doc told me the smell was ozone. Is that correct...

[Young Werther]

So ozone causes acne or is it acne that causes ozone?

I guess we need a HUGE tube of Clearsil. We load it on a

C-5.

We then send it to the South Pole where Algore will squeeze the stuff into the ozone hole thus curing the problem and allowing fellow posters to buy their "forth" SUV, (or is it "Go forth" in my SUV!)

[Old Jarhead 46]

In case you missed it you might get a chuckle from:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1025144/posts
which covers the latest scientific non-discussion by the so called experts in global warming.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!

[cogitator]

and how the #%$&* did they get way up there?)

Convection and diffusion.

[cogitator]

Stratospheric ozone is formed by cosmic-ray interaction with O2.

[cogitator]

My understanding is that the first time anyone actually measured the ozone concentration in the Antarctic atmosphere during winter was the early 1980's. My guess is the ozone hole has been around for a lot longer than the 1980's.

The ozone hole was first discovered due to ground-based measurements made by the British Antarctic Survey at Halley Bay, Antarctica; the measurements commenced in the 1950s. The decline in ozone was noted first here; instrumental observations from satellites had been corrected because the occurrence of the hole was first thought to be an instrumental anomaly.

The figure below shows the record of ozone measurements in October at Halley Bay.

[tiki]

Does anyone know how long the ozone layer has been monitored?