Nothing to Lose But Their Chains (Ledeen)

Spectator ^ | 11/20/03 | Michael Ledeen

[Stultis]

antiwar.com?

That's humorous.

LOL! That's hardly the start of it. Just in the last day or two JG has (approvingly) quoted al-Guardian, David Corn of The Nation, and TomPaine.com (and that's just what I've happened to notice in passing), all the while assuring us that he's the truest and bluest of conservatives.

[Stultis]

his preformance from the '80s when he brought disgrace upon the Reagan Administration

No he didn't. He didn't formulate the Iran/Contra program, he just carried out the arms shipment to Iran side of the deal, and did so competently I might add. It was sloppiness on Ollie North's end of the deal, which Ledeen had nothing to do with, that screwed the pooch.

Not that the facts will matter to you.

[nopardons]

Which he isn't. Thanks for your input, BTW. :-)

[Stultis]

When Iraq becomes a little more stable we will turn our attention to other things.

The things Ledeen recommends doing -- much the same as what the Reagan admin did for Solidarity in Poland and other dissident movements in the Soviet Union and it's satellites -- don't require a "stable" Iraq. There is not even a need (save as necessary to protect the dissidents themselves) to be secretive about doing them. The only reason our operations were covert (even hidden from much of our own government) in Poland was to avoid providing the Soviets a pretext to invade Poland. That consideration doesn't apply in Iran.

And I think you're missing one of Ledeen's main points. Iran is working feverishly to undermine the stability of Iraq. We need to set them back on their f-ing heels. We need to be undermining their stability, right now, with everything we have.

[AmericanVictory]

You are sorry then that the communist Sandinistas ultimately lost. Do you mourn for Mullah Omar and Saddam Hussein since they've lost their total power? Will you miss the rest of these Islamic totalitarians too when they take their place upon the ash heap of history? The Sandinistas were a bunch of vicious little creeps who did a lot of damage to their country as they filled it with prisons into which they put more of their countrymen than anyone before them in Nicaraguan history. It seems to me that those who did the job of ending their tyranny are to be commended. Did you route for the Christic Institute in their ludicrous lawsuit against General Singlaub, and cheer when, after it was rightly dismissed and he was awarded huge sanctions, they went into bankruptcy to try and ruin a great patriot?

[JohnGalt]

While you bravely advocate sending teenage girls from West Virginia to act as human bait while you hide beneath the covers, more responsible conservatives are advocating a policy of closed borders and a better armed citizenry.

[JohnGalt]

You gotta be kidding me.

If you are too lazy to do research on your own, what would be the point in bothering with you especially within the same post you say, even if Ledeen was a criminal, he was right to break the law?

[JohnGalt]

As you bravely type from your keyboard and advocate sending teenage girls from West Virginia to protect your cowardly butt, I do not advocate breaking laws and risking scandal to achieve whatever end is in mind.

I also do not believe that Reagan ever gave approval to break laws, despite what Ledeen and his boss said and did.

'Contra' policy was a difficult thing to follow because the laws changed so many times in the '80s and I generally agree with the sentiment of not leaving troops or friends in the field. None of that has anything to do with Michael Ledeen risking scandal on the Reagan White House, a man who restored some semblance of respect to the office.

I will also note that were it not for the Barry Seal's drugs and gun running with the Contras, Herr Clinton never would have been President.

[JohnGalt]

Can you show me where I quoted any of those sources 'Aprrovingly'?

[JohnGalt]

From the American Conservative
Flirting with Fascism
Neocon theorist Michael Ledeen draws more from Italian fascism than from the American Right.

Order your copy today: Universal Fascism: The Theory and Practice of the Fascist International

[JohnGalt]

My positions:

Abortion is murder.
Only Congress can declare war.
The Federal government has no authority to regulate firearms.
The Income Tax should be abolished.
The 14th Amendment was illegally ratified.
Immigration, including legal immigration, is out of control and should be halted.
The Federal Reserve should be abolished.
A well-armed citizenry and a decentralized government is the basis for national security.


Where do you stand?

[JohnGalt]

So he was just following orders?

LOL,

Love that speech from the Hubert Humphrey broad; do you like any conservatives?

[tallhappy]

This "JohnGalt" and the nonsense he cites simply overtly and deliberately lie.

We are much too tolerant toward lying anti-American leftist propagandists here.

[tallhappy]

The lefty/commie brigade seem to be in meltdown mode, eg "JohnGalt" in this case.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

I think it is easy to determine where allegiances lie... when it comes to WOT. You are either with us or against us. Iran is on the Axis of Evil.

Enough said.

[tet68]

Sir, obviously you have mistaken me for someone else as I see this same reply used on another.

Good day to you.... sir.

[AmericanVictory]

What laws are those you speak of? The policy of the Eurosocialists, or that of the UN when it for years responded to terrorism by passing resolutions condemning Israel's attempts fo protect itself while kissing the butt of your pal Arafat, the instigator of the Terror and murderer of Ameerican diplomats? The UN has been a joke and so is your concept of "law." It is not law of which you speak but pure policy opposed to our interest as a state and as a people that have led the world. You are free to assume the French position and you are free to embrace the Clinton doctrine of putting women into harm's way but we don't have to agree with that which is counter to the country's interest and the effectiveness of our fighting forces.

[JohnGalt]

The United States laws?

Of course the UN is a joke, which is why Reagan wanted to run a clean ship here at home after the failure of the '70s to provide leadership. The number of you on this thread that are making leftwing arguments against him is insane.

My pal Arafat? Israel? What a joke you turned out to be. You may be the least talented poster I have come across in a while.

The French at least weren't so scared of cave dwellers to support a $200 billion debt financed war fought by teenage girls like, as Ann Coulter called them, the 'girly men' in this country did.

Why do I get the feeling you are a socialist yourself?

If I track back through your posts what will I find?

[JohnGalt]

I agree, but I think it is good for real conservatives and libertarians to expose your anti-American agenda to the light.

[billbears]

Iran is ready for democratic revolution, and it is the key to the terror network

I thought Iraq was the key to the terror network....