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A Dose of Reality for Schwarzenegger (MClintock opposes California bond measure)
LA TImes ^
| Nov. 20, 2003
| Gregg Jones and Evan Halper
Posted on 11/20/2003 8:56:02 AM PST by FairOpinion
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To: nopardons
Now good old Tom is opening his mouth. All he's doing is aiding the ENEMIES of the state of California and the nation; the damned Dems.Or he's adding sanity to a situation that needs sanity. Once again, it's all in one's perspective. Whether it's a Gold Coast blueblood or a career public servant.
I doubt Tom's service will be overlooked as easily by Arnold as it is by late-night naysayers.
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posted on
11/20/2003 9:41:14 PM PST
by
nunya bidness
(Although my dreams may be tattered, my will, my heart battered, I know you will hear my cry)
To: nunya bidness
I am really very interested in all of the " GOLD COASt " stuff you keep flinging at me. Which " GOLD COAST " are you referring to, since I have lived in two places, which used that term, and YOU didn't know that. LOL
Arnold will peobably try to keep Tom in his circle, until Tom manages to destroy Arnold's good will. Not being an elected pol ( which you aren't either and so, can and do manage to voice unPC prose late at night to FR !), I don't have to couch my words, nor try to keep the " good will " of others. I can and do, speak the truth bluntly and well.
To: nunya bidness; nopardons
"late-night naysayers"
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Wait a minute.
Arnold is DOING what needs to be done to get CA out of the crisis.
McClintock pipes up, as "the man who says can't be done, telling the guy who is already doing it" and we are the "naysayers"?!
To: FairOpinion
It's just nunya baiting me...ignore him. LOL
To: FairOpinion
If getting a loan is "doing something" then by all means cheer the guy on. My point is that it would make more sense to cut spending (outside of the bloated 70% mandated).
It can and has been done in liberal Maryland by a governor who told state employees that they're lucky to have a job, when they pressed him for a cost of living increase.
Leadership means making tough choices and sound decisions.
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posted on
11/20/2003 10:10:37 PM PST
by
nunya bidness
(Although my dreams may be tattered, my will, my heart battered, I know you will hear my cry)
To: BibChr; FairOpinion
You can't let an opportunity go by to take out your hammers and hit McClintock. You can't understand that reasonable people can disagree.
The bonds WILL BE PAID OFF IN 2033 -- and $1.6 billion of interest per year. And neither of you see that some people might have a problem with that.
To: sruleoflaw
"You can't let an opportunity go by to take out your hammers and hit McClintock."
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You have it backwards. McClintock is the one, who can't seem to let an opportunity to go by and hit Arnold -- even two days after his inauguration.
To: nunya bidness
To: sruleoflaw
And your REALISTIC solution is....?
To: FairOpinion
No, I don't have it backwards. I've got it perfectly. McClintock would oppose a bond issue NO MATTER WHO IS GOVERNOR. And I would imagine you can't think of any reasonable causes for opposing such a bond issue -- even though we'll pay $1.75 for every $1 borrowed.
Just chill out for a few days. When Arnold goes after the bloated bureaucracy and state expenditures, he will have no better ally than McClintock. Will you still be hitting Tom with the hammer then, too?
To: sruleoflaw
"When Arnold goes after the bloated bureaucracy and state expenditures, he will have no better ally than McClintock."
See my post 81, I think.
To: FairOpinion
FairOpinion said: "If anyone has a magic wand, please speak up."
For starters, let's repeal all of the gun laws which infringe the right to keep and bear arms.
It can't be a trivial amount which is being spent to defend Kalifornia's ridiculous "assault weapons" laws. Whatever amounts are presently being spent to maintain registration lists can be recovered in the blink of an eye.
At the same time we adopt Arizona's workers compensation system, let's adopt Vermonts firearms laws.
What I really expect to see is that government meddling in my life and the lives of others will continue in Kalifornia and the spending will continue.
To: sruleoflaw
Post 207 makes what would be my first point.
My second would be to ask, is that what you see as OUR point? That we're enthusiastic about this particular idea?
Dan
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posted on
11/21/2003 6:31:29 AM PST
by
BibChr
("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
To: sruleoflaw
...[Arnold] will have no better ally than McClintock. Will you still be hitting Tom with the hammer then, too? Back in the heat of the election I was surprised to see such naked hatred for a consistant small government Republican, but I wrote it off to a fear of losing the whole shooting match. Now I'm not so sure.
I was and remain a McClintock supporter, but I voted for Arnold even though I knew by then that he would win anyway. I wanted his victory to be as big as possible to send a message to the legislature and the LA Slimes that there was nothing they could do to stop this grass roots juggernaut so they better just get out of the way.
I'm still hoping California can be dragged back from the brink of utter destruction. Arguments on the way to do it are to be expected. Not all of the arguments are accurate. IMO bonds and taxes are the same thing in the end.
I expect harsh words over which solutions are right, but I do NOT understand this desire to absolutely rip a very good man to bits and leave him bleeding out on the sidewalk. The hatred is visceral. It is also irrational. I don't know the cause, but I no longer believe it's because they see McClintock as a spoiler.
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posted on
11/21/2003 9:13:52 AM PST
by
Sal
To: FairOpinion
You CAN cut the budget by enough--only it requires courage that Schwarzenegger never had. Some of us knew he didn't have it and made that argument based on his wishy-washy public statements and the deliberately misleading mixed signals he sent throughout his campaign.
To: FairOpinion
I would add that it's especially easy for a governor in a state that has a line-item veto, like Kullyfoornya.
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