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To: presidio9
This is treason. It seems like Newt has 'grown', just like David Gergen.
2 posted on 11/20/2003 6:34:04 AM PST by .cnI redruM ('Bread and Circuses' ...Fun until you run out of dough.)
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To: .cnI redruM
Looks like the Neocon establishment is in full surrender mode.

Perle, yesterday helping the Ds, Newtie, and Frum last week coming out as an abortion advocate.

Strange days indeed.
10 posted on 11/20/2003 6:56:01 AM PST by JohnGalt ("Nothing happened on 9/11 to make the federal government more competent.")
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To: .cnI redruM
I disagree. I think he has it exactly right.

We need to get away from the third-party-payer system; I think all of us are in agreement on that. And we need to get away from the bureaucracy and towards competition; I think we all agree on that.

The question is how to get there.

One way would be to just end Medicare. The problem with this is we simply don't have the votes, and most conservatives understand that shocks to a system rarely are constructive. You move carefully.

Another way is what this bill provides, namely short term costs for long term gains. Introducing competition. Cracking the third-party-payer vice-grip. And as a bonus, helping to bring seniors over to our side, so maybe we will have the votes in the future for more serious reform, especially after our trial ideas in this bill have proven to be successes.

Gingrich is right.

14 posted on 11/20/2003 8:12:15 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: .cnI redruM
Let me ask you, though - why is this overhaul of Medicare bad? What's so terribly wrong with it that supporting it would be 'treason'?

J
16 posted on 11/21/2003 12:16:49 AM PST by jedwardtremlett ((Dubai, UAE))
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