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To: normy
Hi Normy,

Re: Post 582
The -God Man- are your words not the Fathers. The Father upheld his righteous servant.

True, the phrase "God Man" is nowhere to be found in the Bible, however we are told that 'God was manifest in the flesh' (1st Timothy 3:16); as well as the famous passage of Isaiah 7:14, 'Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.' Immanuel being interpreted: 'God with us'.
So if you'd have prefered that I used 'God manifest in the flesh' or 'God with us', rather than "God man", I'm OK with that.

Isa 42:1 the Father says through the prophet Isaiah Behold my servant whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgement to the Gentiles. What you are saying makes it easy for us to have an excuse not to be like Jesus. Jesus was not supernatural, he was flesh,blood, bone, a man. The difference between him and us is he is obedient to the Father and we are not, but as we change and become perfected we will walk just like Jesus did on the earth but we will do greater things because he has gone to the Father.

uh...I guess you have a selected reading of the Bible...I just referenced a couple of verses that highlighted the Lord's divinity - and there are many others. Yes, Jesus was flesh - and only the anti-christs will deny that - however He is also wholy God as well. Here's a couple more verses
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

Regarding your other point - No, I don't wear 'WWJD' wrist-bands because I'm not going to be walking on water, nor restoring sight to the blind, nor curing lepers, nor raising the dead, nor stopping gales in their tracks with a simple word. Does that release me from following His Commandments? Of course not. If we love Him, we will follow His Word. But don't deceive yourself that one can walk a sin-free life. We will stumble, but we have a Mediator sitting at the right hand of God to defend us, and we have the Comforter here on earth to witness with our spirit and pick us up when we falter.

619 posted on 11/21/2003 8:38:53 PM PST by El Cid
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To: El Cid
Because I do not believe I have a full revelation of this here is what I know. The son was in heaven with the Father during creation and had a part in it.

Gen 1;26 Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.

I have got to believe that was Jesus. Jesus is also present on earth from heaven speaking with Abraham before destruction of Sodom and Gomorah and in the fire with the three Hebrew children.

Jesus and the Father have one Spirit as do all those who are born again.

Psalms 82:6 I have said you are gods; and all of you children of the most High,

That is why we can walk perfectly before the Father and do the same miracles as Jesus, because we have the same Spirit. Make no mistake though we have to be obedient to the Father in the Spirit, like his Son. We cant just see a dead person and raise him unless the Father commands it.

Lastly Jesus would have no power if it were not given to him by the Father and Jesus has enough honor and respect for the Father to know this.

The only reason we could be gods is because the Fathers power is demonstrated through us or demonstrated in our lives but we can of our own selves do nothing.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Read 1 John 5;4 through 1 John 5;13 these are the context of that verse. The Spirit of Jesus is the same as the Fathers because it is the Fathers. If that Spirit dwells in us we are men still but we have the ability to become the sons of God, just like Jesus.

John 1;12 But as many as recieved him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.

The whole reason to be a Christian is to walk like Jesus, that is why he is an example to us.

623 posted on 11/22/2003 5:51:32 AM PST by normy
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