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Please pray for President Bush's understanding of Islam and Christianity. This could do in his whole Presidency.
1 posted on 11/20/2003 4:54:21 AM PST by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
As someone raised Catholic, I always beleived that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. I still do.
50 posted on 11/20/2003 5:31:42 AM PST by Commie Basher
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To: truthandlife
Didn't Ishmael and Issac have the same Jewish father? Aren't all three religions tied to Abraham? Without Abraham, and the branch of Judaism, there would be no belief in the Almighty.

And lastly, aren't we all descendents of Noah? If as a Christian you believe that God, the Father, created the world and the people who inhabit it, then doesn't it then follow that all people on the earth are under his dominion?
53 posted on 11/20/2003 5:34:02 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Your joy is your sorrow unmasked." --- GIBRAN)
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To: truthandlife
HOLD THE PRESSES, HOLD THE PRESSES....THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. THE CREATOR, WHO CREATED CHRISTIANS, MUSLIMS, BUDDHIST, HINDU, MORMONS, JEHOVAH WITNESSES, ETC, ETC...I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU SAY...WE ARE ALL CREATED BY THE SAME CREATOR.
60 posted on 11/20/2003 5:35:23 AM PST by AmericanMade1776
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To: truthandlife
"Please pray for President Bush's understanding of Islam and Christianity. This could do in his whole Presidency."

Bush does indeed need our prayers. I see that many fine Christians on this thread have no apprecdiation of the tightrope Bush has to walk on this issue.

He could have given a theological answer, but that would only have enraged about 12 percent of the population of the entire world.

62 posted on 11/20/2003 5:35:29 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: truthandlife
I don't know how a Christian could say that the demon moon god the Muslims worship is the same as God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Look at how Muslims act, justifing terror and murder in the name of their "god".

Is this the same God that said "love your ememies and turn the other cheek"?

I think not.

President Bush needs to read his Bible.

68 posted on 11/20/2003 5:39:23 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: truthandlife
You people have fallen for the trick question. How could Bush answer it without someone getting disgruntled? If he had said that we worship different gods, then there would be people saying, "well, how many gods are there?" "If there is only one god, then only one religion is 'right'. Are you saying, Mr. President, that Muslim people are wrong in their beliefs?"
71 posted on 11/20/2003 5:42:12 AM PST by Snowy (Annoy a lib -> Work hard, earn money, and be happy!)
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To: truthandlife
There is ONE God!

and

There is ONE satan!

82 posted on 11/20/2003 5:49:19 AM PST by freedomson (Baruch haba b'shem Adonai!)
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To: truthandlife
If anyone has a link to his exact quote, I would be interested in seeing it.

Speaking as a Christian theologian, I would say that President Bush ought not quit his day job.

83 posted on 11/20/2003 5:50:09 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (LCMS pastor, Ph.D. student in Biblical Studies)
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To: truthandlife
Didn't Jesus say if you deny the Son, you deny the Father? What implications does that have?
84 posted on 11/20/2003 5:51:29 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: truthandlife
I suppose the vilest murderers and most demented of madmen can still worship God--so I'm inclined to think Bush's comment can be taken with an existential grain of salt...
85 posted on 11/20/2003 5:54:01 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: truthandlife
Is there any place to watch this interview now? Or is there a transcript?
108 posted on 11/20/2003 6:10:46 AM PST by Reborn
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Ping. Ok I understand the political expedience of being the President but this is going too far.
112 posted on 11/20/2003 6:12:23 AM PST by biblewonk (I must answer all bible questions.)
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To: truthandlife
It would be accurate to say that traditional Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe in a Supreme Being Who is all powerful, all knowing, and not confined by the limits of space and time. In other words, all three religions have a common belief in the attributes and power of God.

Orthodox Christians, whether Catholic, Protestant, or Eastern Orthodox, have a different conception of God's nature than do Jews or Muslims, or heterodox groups like Unitarians, Mormons, and Jehovah's Witnesses. The clearest definition of the orthodox Christian concept of God may be found in the Athanasian Creed. "And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the persons, nor dividing the substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son and another of the Holy Spirit. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty co-eternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son and such is the Holy Spirit."

This position is rejected by all of those groups beyond the pale of orthodoxy, but is based on Biblical teachings. The Jews do not accept the New Testament. The Muslims regard the Koran as perfecting and superceding the Bible. The Mormons regard The Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrines and Covenants as revelations equal or superior to the Bible. The Unitarians deny that the Scriptures are divinely inspired or without error in matters of faith and doctrine. The Jehovah's Witnesses use a translation of the Bible that confounds both traditional and modern Scriptural scholarship. Hence, all these groups lack the grounds in their sacred writings to support the orthodox Christian definition of the Trinity.

The same could be said for the orthodox Christian definition of the nature of Jesus Christ, as defined by the Council of Chalcedon. Jesus Christ is both truly God and truly man, being "recognized in two natures, without confusion, without change, without division, without separation; the distinction of natures being in no way annulled by the union, but rather the characteristics of each nature being preserved and coming together to form one person and subsistence." All those beyond the pale of orthodox Christianity, whether Muslim, Jewish, Mormon, Unitatian, Jehovah's Witnesses, or otherwise, understandably reject this doctrine, though Scripture supports it.

Christians of orthodox belief disagree with the aforementioned other groups as to the nature and character of God, even if they agree with them on His power and attributes. Therefore, it cannot be said that orthodox Christians worship the same God as the others.

President Bush is perhaps playing to a popular "unity in diversity" theme, sort of a revival of the old saw, "the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man." He is practicing a type of American civil religion that was expressed by Dwight Eisenhower 50 years ago in words to the effect that our political system was founded on a belief in God, but that he didn't care whose God it was. Bush's statement and that of Eisenhower may make political sense, but they do not make religious sense.

115 posted on 11/20/2003 6:14:03 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: truthandlife
It would be accurate to say that traditional Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe in a Supreme Being Who is all powerful, all knowing, and not confined by the limits of space and time. In other words, all three religions have a common belief in the attributes and power of God.

Orthodox Christians, whether Catholic, Protestant, or Eastern Orthodox, have a different conception of God's nature than do Jews or Muslims, or heterodox groups like Unitarians, Mormons, and Jehovah's Witnesses. The clearest definition of the orthodox Christian concept of God may be found in the Athanasian Creed. "And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the persons, nor dividing the substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son and another of the Holy Spirit. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty co-eternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son and such is the Holy Spirit."

This position is rejected by all of those groups beyond the pale of orthodoxy, but is based on Biblical teachings. The Jews do not accept the New Testament. The Muslims regard the Koran as perfecting and superceding the Bible. The Mormons regard The Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrines and Covenants as revelations equal or superior to the Bible. The Unitarians deny that the Scriptures are divinely inspired or without error in matters of faith and doctrine. The Jehovah's Witnesses use a translation of the Bible that confounds both traditional and modern Scriptural scholarship. Hence, all these groups lack the grounds in their sacred writings to support the orthodox Christian definition of the Trinity.

The same could be said for the orthodox Christian definition of the nature of Jesus Christ, as defined by the Council of Chalcedon. Jesus Christ is both truly God and truly man, being "recognized in two natures, without confusion, without change, without division, without separation; the distinction of natures being in no way annulled by the union, but rather the characteristics of each nature being preserved and coming together to form one person and subsistence." All those beyond the pale of orthodox Christianity, whether Muslim, Jewish, Mormon, Unitatian, Jehovah's Witnesses, or otherwise, understandably reject this doctrine, though Scripture supports it.

Christians of orthodox belief disagree with the aforementioned other groups as to the nature and character of God, even if they agree with them on His power and attributes. Therefore, it cannot be said that orthodox Christians worship the same God as the others.

President Bush is perhaps playing to a popular "unity in diversity" theme, sort of a revival of the old saw, "the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man." He is practicing a type of American civil religion that was expressed by Dwight Eisenhower 50 years ago in words to the effect that our political system was founded on a belief in God, but that he didn't care whose God it was. Bush's statement and that of Eisenhower may make political sense, but they do not make religious sense.

116 posted on 11/20/2003 6:14:03 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: truthandlife
I agree with you that Allah is not the same as the God of the Jews and the Christians.

But Bush isn't a theologian, he's the President. He has to say what will be best for the country he leads. It would be wrong for him to gratuitously offend a billion Muslims and draw them together against us. Better to pretend that Islam is really a nice religion, which will tend to split them.
117 posted on 11/20/2003 6:15:35 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: truthandlife
We may all have the same God, but muslims sure don't worship him thru their satanically inspired death cult, and his name ain't allah.
131 posted on 11/20/2003 6:24:15 AM PST by gawatchman
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To: truthandlife
Until God himself tells me otherwise they do not worship the same god. The Korans message does not match the Bible. The Bible has held it's own for far longer and does not contain the numerous contradictions found in the Koran.

How can one of the most illiterate populations in the world recognize abstract concepts and properly interpet the Koran? I submit they can't and rely on their "Imams" to deliver the message, talk about false prophets.
146 posted on 11/20/2003 6:37:02 AM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: truthandlife
Of course they worship the same God -- the God of Abraham. The Muslims just happen to do it in an abominable way.
149 posted on 11/20/2003 6:39:39 AM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: truthandlife; Dataman
Sad commentary on the intellectual life of our nation and forum — to say nothing of the spiritual health — that it isn't a "DUH!" that Moslems and Biblical Christians do not worship the same God.

Dan
Biblical Christianity web site

163 posted on 11/20/2003 6:47:40 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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Mr. Bush is no theologian. It's quite obvious to anyone who knows logic that the two versions of God contradict one another. Both cannot possibly be true at the same time.
179 posted on 11/20/2003 6:53:33 AM PST by exmarine (sic semper tyrannis)
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