New analysis suggests there was no second gunman in JFK assassination

Associated Press ^ | 11/19/2003 | MARTIN FINUCANE

[squidly]

I may not be remembering that precisely. The theory may have been that it was a ricochet off the street from an agent's gun. In any case, from an agent's gun.

[shootergrassyknoll]

I have been to Dallas a couple of times and visited Dealy Plaza and the book Depository. looking down from the sixth floor(actual window is plexi-glass enclosed)window,I believe I could have shot JFK from there! Also I went behind the stockade fence on the Knoll and you could have had a easy shot from there,no obstruction what so ever!In fact,a shot from there would be just beyond point blank! Behind the fence is a black top parking lot, i was told by locals that back in 63 it was not paved, it was parking for RR workers and people who worked in Dealy Plaza, you paid so much a week or month to park there. In,almost,the middle is a train control tower.During JFK visit the parking lot was closed, the tower control man testified that he saw mo. movement around the fence and saw smoke. The train workers were on the triple over pass along with assigned cops, a couple of train workers on the over pass testified that they saw smoke coming from the fence. All this was explained away by the Warren commission as mistaken!

[The KG9 Kid]

It never ends.

[shootergrassyknoll]

Is this Arlan Specter, it sure sounds like him!

[streetpreacher]

My brother, who had top secret clearance for years, and worked on the moon shots, is fond of saying that the concept of a massive government conspiracy is ridiculous. Coverups of blunders is more like it. The government workers are way too incompetent and concerned for their house payments and car payments to ever engage in any such nonsense.

A top secret clearance is not all that impressive. Every officer in the military has to be cleared for one, and many enlisted men & women get them. It just pertains to the duties of their jobs. It doesn't mean that one now knows the island where Marilyn Monroe and Elvis are shacked up.

Not to belittle your brother, but that hardly makes him an expert on how the intelligence apparatus of the American government works, much less on whether or not there could be an effective cover-up of a murder of a chief executive. The only ones who would have to be in on the cover-up are those who "had to know", certainly not bureacratic "government workers."

[VOA]

My son recently pointed out to me, in a state of amusement, that the word
"knoll" is never heard in any other context.

I shouldn't laugh about this...but when the space shuttle broke up, the early reports
were about it being visible over the Dallas area and there was speculation
(not totally unreasonable) about sabotage, given that the shuttle had an Israeli/Jewish
crew-member during these troubled times...
I called my cousin in Dallas and as we talked about this situation,
I said "Looks like the grassy knoll has moved into space above Dallas this time."

[streetpreacher]

"It is these images [from the movie] that we remember. Most Americans know of the Kennedy assassination through Oliver Stone's mind and Oliver Stone's images."

That's an interesting theory considering the majority of Americans have believed in a government conspiracy/cover-up of the JFK assassination for the thirty years prior to the Stone film. I don't think I've ever met anyone in person who believes the Warren Report, although they seem to hang out in droves on FR.

[Tall_Texan]

Third, the position of the knoll itself meant that a sniper located there would have had to use special bullets that loop-the-loop because he would not have had a straight line shot at JFK but would have had to shoot through somebody or something.

I disagree. I've stood behind the fence and it's an easier shot than the Sixth Floor of the TBSD. And there was nobody even close to being in the line of fire from that direction if you see the knoll from the Willis photo. There are three men near the bottom of the steps and few other onlookers between the limo and the fence at the moment of the head shot. Whether there *was* somebody shooting from there is another debate. But saying that the shooter's angle from there would have been blocked in any way is simply incorrect.

[DonQ]

I am surprised that my comment has elicited three responses in rapid succession ... a full 3 weeks after I posted it.

At the time of the motorcade there were a good many people standing on the grassy knoll itself (Abraham Zapruder was one of them), directly across from the grassy knoll, and, among railroad workers, behind the stockade fence and even from railroad structures behind the grassy knoll. (Josiah Thompson's book, Six Seconds in Dallas, meticulously charts all of this, even though Thompson supports a conspiracy theory). NONE of those people saw a gunman on the grassy knoll, or saw anyone with a rifle there, nor heard a shot from that close.

And, of course, there is the question of what the gunman would do and where he would go immediately after the fatal shot.

At the moment of the fatal shot, JFK was right beside the grassy knoll, moving (from the viewpoint of someone there) from left to right, and a shot would have hit JFK almost exactly sideways (from his right shoulder to his left). Although there's a lot of quibbling about the impact of the fatal bullet, that sort of impact is not seen.

One of the oddments of the JFK assassination is that some people claim to have seen smoke, here or there, but in the mid-20th century rifle bullets were virtually smokeless.

[Shooter 2.5]

More people who have never researched the Assassination saying "I think", "Maybe", "Could Have", "I read somewhere".

The only good thing about this is the ability to compile a list so you don't post to these people in the future. Their credibility is nil.

[Shooter 2.5]

Urban legends and opinions don't really matter a whole lot around here on FR. Here's a picture of the cases that were found at the Tippet's Shooting.

[HoustonCurmudgeon]

I have no idea what happened in Dallas, but do know that no ammunition in the 60's produced smoke when fired.

I also heard a live interview with the cop who was handcuffed to Oswald the day he was killed. It was about 5 years ago on KPRC AM 950 in Houston and was conducted by Dan Patrick. He replayed it on KSEV AM 700 this year. The cop was also in charge of the interrogation of witnesses the day of the assassination. He claims that NO ONE came forward at the time saying there was smoke on the hill and that as years go on more and more make the claim including some who said otherwise at the time.

I do not intend to defend this statement but the police officer did say it, and I am repeating his words.

[shootergrassyknoll]

Did you not listen to the Dallas police tapes?, or do you hear only what you want to hear!

[shootergrassyknoll]

I didn't realize there was a time limit on a response, better late.... looking from the fence( from the shooters view )onto the street,where a big black x marks the spot of the head shot, the viewer ,considering directly across being 12 o'clock the head shot would have been about 9 o'clock. That being from right to left. I stood in this spot and giving concideration to the three men on the steps and the people on the side walk, a clear shot would have been more than possible. Abraham Zupuder was up further on Elm near the free way sign,up on a concrete pedestal. I'm not claming to know one thing about ammunition, i just know that there were at least three people who testified of that fact at the time or shortly after! What I do know, that after the shooting most every one in Dealy Plaza was either running, pointing or looking toward the knoll and the stockade fence, including the Dallas Police. If you read the Warren commission witness testimony, all the people on the 5th floor ran to the windows on the west side, which over look the parking lot behind the stockade fence on the grassy knoll and the RR switch house!As far as where would the shooter go, it would be as easy as leaving the book depository!

[shootergrassyknoll]

I also heard a live broad cast from Dan Rather after seeing a privy viewing of the Zuprder film that JFK's head moved violently forward, how ever the released film did not show that.

[shootergrassyknoll]

Thats what the warren Commission thought until they found out that the CIA was Involved with the Mafia during the Bay Of Pigs!

[shootergrassyknoll]

Yes we do and there they let you out on the week ends!