[carpio]

all have the appearance of refugees from the Goodwill store.

And the problem with Goodwill stores??

[Havoc]

You can save your breath. I've debated her on other topics and there is no amount of facts you can present that sink cannot ignore, attempt to impugne or make fun of. There is also no argument people like that are above running from when that is pointed out either blatently or subtly. You just have to expose them and stay on point. ;)