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To: bluejay
I do not agree.

Your failure to understand the rules of logic are not my concern.

I believe in God. You do not. Please explain why.

I'm not convinced that the God that you believe exists actually exists. Further, I'm also not convinced that Vishnu, Odin, Zeus or Baal exist either. I suspect, however, that you won't be demanding any detailed explanations as to why I lack belief in any gods other than your own.

. I have explanation for how Universe came to be.

Yes, I'm aware of that.

You can choose not to accept my explanation, but they you will need to provide your own.

Incorrect. It is not invalid for me to say that while I have insufficient information to formulate an explanation on the origin of the universe, I don't find your particular explanation terribly convincing.

Of course, you may respond: "I do not know". However, that would be an admission that my version of events could be correct.

They may well be. Thus far, however, I've seen nothing to convince me that it is.

This would make you an agnostic, not an atheist. An atheist is convinced that there is no God, and that intelligent design had no part in creating the Universe.

An atheist is one who lacks belief in gods. It is not one who makes the declarative statement "God does not exist" -- in fact, that definition is silly, as it posits a specific named god in it, but your god is no more "real" to an atheist than any other god. Why would an atheist need to specifically single out your god out of all of the thousands worshipped throughout human history for consideration when defining him or herself?

An atheist is one who lacks belief in gods. While I cannot claim absolute knowledge to rule out the possibility that the god that you worship exists, I've thus far not been convinced of its existence. Moreover, I've not yet been convinced that any gods worshipped throughout human history -- or any god at all -- exists. Because of this lack of belief in any and all gods, I am an atheist.
506 posted on 11/23/2003 12:39:26 AM PST by Dimensio (The only thing you feel when you take a human life is recoil. -- Frank "Earl" Jones)
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To: Dimensio
Your failure to understand the rules of logic are not my concern.

You have yet to provide logical arguments. So far, all your statements have been assertions. For example:

I'm not convinced that the God that you believe exists actually exists. Further, I'm also not convinced that Vishnu, Odin, Zeus or Baal exist either. I suspect, however, that you won't be demanding any detailed explanations as to why I lack belief in any gods other than your own.

I accept the fact that you do not share my belief. I have simply asked for your reasons why you do not believe in God.

I must say, however, I find it encouraging that in this paragraph you mentioned that you are "not convinced" that God exists, rather then convinced that God does not exist. This makes you an agnostic, not an atheist. If that is so, if, in fact, your mind is open to the possibility of existence of God, then yes, it would be up to me to justify my faith.

An atheist is one who lacks belief in gods. It is not one who makes the declarative statement "God does not exist" -- in fact, that definition is silly, as it posits a specific named god in it, but your god is no more "real" to an atheist than any other god. Why would an atheist need to specifically single out your god out of all of the thousands worshipped throughout human history for consideration when defining him or herself?

This definition may be silly, but it is the commonly accepted one. Merriam-Webster dictionary (available on-line) defines atheist as "one who denies the existence of God". Please note - denies, not merely lacks belief. Please also note the capitalization of God.

The same dictionary defines agnostic as ": a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god". Please note some important differences - agnostic claims lack of knowledge, which implies that he is willing to alter his beliefs if and when knowledge becomes available. This is significantly different from atheist, who claims that no amount of knowledge would ever cause him to alter his belief.
516 posted on 11/23/2003 11:51:28 AM PST by bluejay
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