[stanz]

These are the future doctors I would not want treating me.

[stuartcr]

Shouldn't they just go to a Christian medical school instead of dictating curriculum?

[Gunslingr3]

Evolution assumes too many extremely improbably events occurring over too short a span of time.

Whereas creationism insists a magic being whipped up the universe from nothing in six days. What's their point again?

[Chancellor Palpatine]

ping

[Tac12]

In a related development, other students ask to
teach Tibetan medicine and zen shiatsu therapy
as well. ``Western medicin has only lead to more
suffering. It is time for non-racist ...''

[Unam Sanctam]

I'm just glad to know that there are still some real Christian believers left in Norway.

[RightWingNilla]

2 There is no fossil evidence to indicate transitional forms between, for example, fish and land animals or apes and humans.

How did these idiots get into medical school? They must have been fingerpainting in their undergrad bio courses.

[Kuksool]

How many posts will it take before this thread is kicked into the Smokey Backroom?

[js1138]

All lies. Here is the truth...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1025049/posts

[MEGoody]

Why doesn't the university host a debate between an evolutionist and a creationist? The debate venue is not unusual in the university environment, is it?

[RightWhale]

Here we go, GEOS F112X The History of Earth and Life 4.0 Cr. Meets core breadth or depth natural science requirement or natural science degree requirement with lab. Cool? Be kind of a waste of time and money if we can simply read half a page and get everything a geoscientist would need to know.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

The Christian Medical Students Circle want three basic points to be included in the curriculum:

1 According to the theory of evolution a mutation must be immediately beneficial to survive through selection. But many phenomena explained by evolution (for example the eye) involve so many, small immediately detrimental mutations that only give a long-term beneficial effect.

2 There is no fossil evidence to indicate transitional forms between, for example, fish and land animals or apes and humans.

3 Evolution assumes too many extremely improbably events occurring over too short a span of time.

"All the evidence contradicting our position should be ignored," he added.

[RightWhale]

What else: there is only one man who could possibly pull this off, lecture on Creationism. I forget--what's his name? He's good, darned good. Any credentialed philosopher could turn his case into a rapidly expanding gas anyway.

[mgstarr]

It would be at this point that f.Christian would post that silly hominid tree graphic and begin speaking in a strange clipped manner.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Radishes-carrots, kitchenaid blenders------>DIDACTIC EARTHWORMS!!!

spam cans lettuce---CLINTONRENO

[familyofman]

If they want creationism - they should go to church.

[Salgak]

Creationism is a matter of pure faith. Evolution is a Theory created by the scientific process.

Note: Science does NOT determine Truth: you want Truth, seek it in the Philosophy or Theology departments. Science is the process of making MODELS of reality with as close of a match to reality as we can make it, with the end result being a model we can use to predict outcomes and do consistent engineering with. In the case of Evolution, it has been observed, in the micro sense, in the field and in the laboratory. That has been extrapolated, at a lesser degree of accuracy, to macro-level evolution, with support from the fossil record, geochemistry / geophysics, and the observed fact of microevolution.

Now, it could well be that the Lord God did in fact create the world in 6642BC, as Bishop Ussher had calculated, with a set of rules and evidence already in place supporting not just the theory of Evolution, but those of Astrophysics, Cosmology, and of the basic Physics of our Universe as we know it.

Or, he could have set it up from the beginning to happen in such a way that the Universe grew from the Big Bang (gee, that sounds AWFULLY like "let there be light", the formations of galaxies, suns, and planets from chaotic gas clouds, and the appearance and development of life and of man.) to our present situation. Heck, the order even matches that of Genesis. Strange coincidence, don't you think???

It really doesn't matter. But the latter premise makes me FAR more in awe of the power and majesty of God than the "poof, there it is" premise. . . .

[Modernman]

There are no right or wrong answers in medicine. What gives medical school professors the right to insist certain treatments are correct? If a doctor wants to prescribe leeches to treat cancer, shouldn't he have the right to do so? < /sarcasm

[Doctor Stochastic]

Exactly what contrary-to-evolutionary-theory fact would help this man be a better doctor? What in Creationism suggests that comparative anatomy is of use in studying humans? What in Creationism suggests that using mammals for drug testing is better than using orchids?

[Tac12]

HUNTSVILLE, Ala.-NASA engineers and mathematicians in this high-tech city are
stunned and infuriated after the Alabama state legislature narrowly passed a law Monday
redefining pi, a mathematical constant used widely in the aerospace industry. The bill to
change the value of pi to exactly three was introduced without fanfare by Leonard Lee
Lawson (R, Crossville), and rapidly gained support after a letter-writing campaign by
members of the Solomon Society, a traditional values group. Governor Fob James says he
will sign it into law on Wednesday.

The law took the state's engineering community by surprise. "It would have been nice if they
had consulted with someone who actually uses pi," said Dr. Marshall Bergman, a manager at
the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization. According to Bergman, pi is a Greek letter used
to signify the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter. It is often used by
engineers to calculate missile trajectories.

Prof. Kim Johanson, a mathematician from University of Alabama, said that pi is a universal
constant, and cannot arbitrarily be changed by lawmakers. Johanson explained that pi is an
irrational number, which means that it has an infinite number of digits after the decimal
point and can never be known exactly. Nevertheless, she said, pi is precisely defined by
mathematics to be "3.14159, plus as many more digits as you have time to calculate."

"I think that it is the mathematicians that are being irrational, and it is time for them to
admit it," said Lawson. "The Bible very clearly says in I Kings 7:23 that the altar font in
Solomon's Temple was ten cubits across and thirty cubits in diameter, and that it was round
in compass." Lawson also called into question the usefulness of any number that cannot be
calculated exactly, and suggested that never knowing the exact answer could harm students'
self-esteem. "We need to return to some absolutes in our society," he said. "The Bible does
not say that the font was thirty-something cubits. Plain reading says thirty cubits. Period."

Science actually supports Lawson, explained Russell Humbleys, a propulsion technician at
the Marshall Spaceflight Center who testified in support of the bill before the legislature in
Montgomery last week. "Pi is merely an artifact of Euclidean geometry." Humbleys is
working on a theory which he says will prove that pi is determined by the geometry of
three-dimensional space, which is assumed by physicists to be "isotropic," or the same in all
directions.

"There are other geometries, and pi is different in every one of them," said Humbleys.
"Scientists have arbitrarily assumed that space is Euclidean. A circle drawn on a spherical
surface has a different value for the ratio of circumference to diameter. Anyone with a
compass, flexible ruler, and globe can see this for themselves. It's not exactly rocket science."


Roger Learned, a Solomon Society member who was in Montgomery to support the bill,
agrees. He said that pi is nothing more than an assumption by the mathematicians and
engineers who were there to argue against the bill. "Those nabobs waltzed into the capital
with an arrogance that was breathtaking," Learned said. "Their predatorial deficit resulted in
a polemical stance at absolute contraposition to the legislature's puissance."

Some education experts believe that the legislation will affect the way math is taught to
Alabama's children. One member of the state school board, Lily Ponja, is anxious to get the
new value of pi into the state's math textbooks, but thinks that the old value should be
retained as an alternative. "As far as I am concerned, the value of pi is only a theory, and we
should be open to all interpretations." She looks forward to the day when students will have
the freedom to decide for themselves what value pi should have.

Dr. Robert S. Dietz, a professor at Arizona State University who has followed the
controversy, wrote that this is not the first time a state legislature has attempted to redefine
the value of pi. A legislator in the state of Indiana unsuccessfully attempted to have that state
set the value of pi to three. According to Dietz, the lawmaker was exasperated by the
calculations of a mathematician who carried pi to four hundred decimal places and still could
not achieve a rational number.

Many experts are warning that this is just the beginning of a national battle over pi between
traditional values supporters and the technical elite. Solomon Society member Lawson
agrees. "We just want to return pi to its traditional value," he said, "which, according to the
Bible, is three."