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Is anyone actually hearing what Bush is saying?
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | November 19, 2003 | John Hughes

Posted on 11/19/2003 5:48:22 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

SALT LAKE CITY – It's a pity that 99 percent of the protesters against President Bush during his British visit this week will not have read his democracy speech of a couple of weeks ago to the National Endowment for Democracy. (I'm fairly confident about that percentage, because not even 99 percent of his own compatriots have read it).

It offered remarkable insight into Mr. Bush's thinking about freedom for the world's still unfree, and contained significant clues about the new direction he will take in advancing freedom for them during his presidential tenure.

You can protest against the manner in which Bush has gone about bringing freedom to Iraq. That is a legitimate issue for debate. You can rail, with European hauteur, against the style of an American president who wears cowboy boots with his tuxedo and bestows folksy nicknames on foreign leaders.

But nobody, after reading that democracy speech, can doubt the man's passion for bringing at least some form of democracy to those parts of the world where people are still denied it.

Some will dismiss this as simplistic and naive. That, of course, was what some Europeans thought of Ronald Reagan's Palace of Westminster speech in 1982, when he told a British audience that a turning point in history had arrived - that Soviet communism had failed because it did not respect its own people, their creativity, and their rights.

The British protesters against Bush already enjoy stable democracy. Nevertheless their prime minister, Tony Blair, has paid a high political price for voicing the same ambitions as Bush for the world's oppressed. But nobody who listened to his speech at London's Guildhall a few nights ago (a speech 99 percent of Americans never heard, unless they happened to be watching C-SPAN late at night) could question Blair's commitment to the pursuit of liberty for others that his countrymen already celebrate.

In his speech calling for a new "forward strategy" in US foreign policy, Bush pledged to put American power "at the service of principle." But this was no bellicose threat of military action against every nation that tramples human rights.

The postwar problems in Iraq must surely have been sobering to the White House and to the American public alike. The president targeted Cuba and Burma (Myanmar) and North Korea and Zimbabwe as "outposts of oppression," but his particular frustration was reserved for the lands of the Middle East, whose lack of freedom, he said, had been "excused and accommodated," for 60 years by Western nations.

Thus persuasion, and the encouragement of the "leaders of new democracies," who will one day emerge "from prison cells and from exile," seems to be at the heart of the new policy.

Particularly interesting were his remarks about Iran. Though US intelligence about Iraq's nuclear planning may have been flaky, there isn't much doubt that Iran has had nuclear ambitions and tried to cover them up. Despite recent Iranian promises of openness to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), designed to forestall sanctions, Iran's potential nuclear capability remains considerable.

Yet Bush made no threat of a US invasion of Iran in his speech, rather suggesting that reform and change should come from within: "The regime in Iran must heed the democratic demands of the Iranian people, or lose its last claim to legitimacy."

A few days before, Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage had assured US senators that regime change in Iran is not US policy. But, said Mr. Armitage, the US would be "very forthright in our views about transparency and governance and human rights."

Experts I've talked to suggest that Iran is not currently in a prerevolutionary mode. Offending newspapers and dissidents feel the brunt of the regime's apparatus of repression. But recent student demonstrations have abated. And while there is substantial discontent (12 to 15 percent of the population "officially" unemployed, but actually perhaps nearer 20 percent), the public seems leery of violent upheaval, instead hoping for peaceful evolution through constitutional means.

Against this background at home, the Iranian regime seems willing to engage in dialogue with the US, while taking pragmatic steps to stave off confrontation with the IAEA, and the European Union, both of which took a tough stand on disclosure and inspection of Iran's nuclear facilities.

While the awesome might of the American military remains evident, the George Bush the British are seeing this week is embarked on a new "forward strategy" that involves far less militancy.

• John Hughes, editor and chief operating officer of the Deseret Morning News, is a former editor of the Monitor.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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To: workerbee
No.
41 posted on 11/19/2003 10:39:42 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: workerbee
Think about who benefits from non-democratic government - mostly priviledged minorities, theocratic ideologues, and pigs.
42 posted on 11/19/2003 10:42:03 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: Axolotl
Islam, like most religions will flourish in a democracy. Unfortunately, democracy will wither under Islam.
43 posted on 11/19/2003 10:42:47 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: workerbee
...and racist bigots, and non-theocratic (communist and nazi)ideologues.
44 posted on 11/19/2003 10:43:44 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: Monti Cello
When you invade another country, of a different culture, and force them to set up a government of your choosing you're imposing on them.
45 posted on 11/19/2003 10:46:13 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: proudmilitarymrs
You misunderstand me completely. I think self-interest forces us to do just what we're doing.
46 posted on 11/19/2003 10:48:19 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
No, you really suggested Muslims are incapable or organizing a democratic society. To quote you...

I never said Muslims couldn't thrive in democratic societies not of their making ... although Europeans, Indians, and Israelis will tell you that assimilating them is not easy.

47 posted on 11/19/2003 10:48:41 AM PST by Axolotl
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To: Redleg Duke
Unfortunately, democracy will wither under Islam.

What is the basis for that remark?

48 posted on 11/19/2003 10:54:56 AM PST by Axolotl
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To: dirtboy
So you were wrong Add up the numbers. Find 650 million Muslims (I believe there are 1.3 billion Muslims today) living in democratic societies.
49 posted on 11/19/2003 10:55:04 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: Axolotl
Well?...
50 posted on 11/19/2003 10:56:02 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This foolishness will truly stop when Europe experiences their own 9/11. I do not wish anyone to have to live through that horror again, but the fact remains that we did in this country. We will never forget. When this happens in Europe, they will truly know that President Bush was right. President Bush is trying to spare them from this outcome, but they won't listen. They will pay the consequences of not listening.
51 posted on 11/19/2003 10:57:52 AM PST by MoJo2001
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
It offered remarkable insight into Mr. Bush's thinking about freedom for the world's still unfree

If anyone feels they are not hearing all or enough of Dubya's speeches,
I humbly suggest two routes:
1. The Laura Ingraham radio show -- plays lots of audio clips of Dubya and other
world leaders and cultural icons routinely.
Among the Dubya in London clips was his gentle, but pointed dig at the protestors...
noting that the freedom of speech was active and healthy in the U.K. (re: the protestors)...
just as it is now in Iraq.


2. I think just about all of Dubya's speeches, no matter how humble, are
archived at the White House website (? www.whitehouse.gov...be sure you
use .gov or you might get a porn site!)
52 posted on 11/19/2003 11:01:57 AM PST by VOA
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To: liberallarry
well what? I responded to the posts directed at me...
53 posted on 11/19/2003 11:02:00 AM PST by Axolotl
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To: workerbee
There is a very disturbing aspect to this. Democratic capitalism rewards talent and industry. What of the untalented and unindustrious? That's an ongoing problem that's not been solved by anyone.
54 posted on 11/19/2003 11:02:02 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: Axolotl
Well how do you draw the conclusion you did from my statement which you posted?
55 posted on 11/19/2003 11:03:24 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
I think the people of Iraq would disagree with you, that the freedom and self-rule that is taking form is an 'imposition', particularly relative to the tyranny they have endured.

I am taking your use of the term 'impose' to hold negative connotations, and it seems that's how you intend it.

As such you seem to be elevating domestic tyranny to a status higher than US-enabled democracy, essentially preferring tyranny to self-rule for certain people in certain circumstances.

Do you consider democracy a burden generally or only when it is enabled by the US?

And would you go a step further and deny the existence of 'human rights' as a concept? Does addressing human rights concerns in other nations also represent an imposition on these peoples?

56 posted on 11/19/2003 11:08:36 AM PST by Monti Cello
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Socialism has a bad name in America, and no amount of wishful thinking on the part of the left is going to change that.... The words Economic Democracy are an adequate and effective replacement." Derek Shearer cited in Reason 1982

"...I would like to be clearly understood...we, the Soviet people, are for socialism.... We want more socialism and, therefore, more democracy." Mikhail Gorbachev

57 posted on 11/19/2003 11:09:28 AM PST by hosepipe
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To: liberallarry
Which conclusion did I draw...please direct me to the post(s) you are talking about if you want a response.
58 posted on 11/19/2003 11:09:38 AM PST by Axolotl
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To: liberallarry
Add up the numbers. Find 650 million Muslims (I believe there are 1.3 billion Muslims today) living in democratic societies.

Well, let's see - 170 million in Indonesia, 120 million or so in Bangladesh, 100 million in India, 40 million in Europe, 10 million in the United States, 60 million in Turkey, 20 million in Malaysia, 20 million in Russia, 4 million in the Philippines - it adds up. It's nowhere near the snorter you made it out to be.

59 posted on 11/19/2003 11:09:41 AM PST by dirtboy (New Ben and Jerry's flavor - Howard Dean Swirl - no ice cream, just fruit at bottom)
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To: Axolotl
The implication here is that there are inherent, genetic differences between peoples. As I said, I am not politically correct so I do not rule that out.

That has been the implication - often stated explicitely - when Jews, Japanese, Indians, Chinese, and whites in general were accused of having too much power. And when Mexicans, blacks, American Indians and others were said to possess just the right amount - very little.

Let me try to be explicit - I do not rule out genetics as an explanation for observed differences , nor do I posit it. I keep an open mind because I'm not convinced of any explanation that's been offered so far.

60 posted on 11/19/2003 11:21:00 AM PST by liberallarry
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