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Is anyone actually hearing what Bush is saying?
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | November 19, 2003 | John Hughes

Posted on 11/19/2003 5:48:22 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

SALT LAKE CITY – It's a pity that 99 percent of the protesters against President Bush during his British visit this week will not have read his democracy speech of a couple of weeks ago to the National Endowment for Democracy. (I'm fairly confident about that percentage, because not even 99 percent of his own compatriots have read it).

It offered remarkable insight into Mr. Bush's thinking about freedom for the world's still unfree, and contained significant clues about the new direction he will take in advancing freedom for them during his presidential tenure.

You can protest against the manner in which Bush has gone about bringing freedom to Iraq. That is a legitimate issue for debate. You can rail, with European hauteur, against the style of an American president who wears cowboy boots with his tuxedo and bestows folksy nicknames on foreign leaders.

But nobody, after reading that democracy speech, can doubt the man's passion for bringing at least some form of democracy to those parts of the world where people are still denied it.

Some will dismiss this as simplistic and naive. That, of course, was what some Europeans thought of Ronald Reagan's Palace of Westminster speech in 1982, when he told a British audience that a turning point in history had arrived - that Soviet communism had failed because it did not respect its own people, their creativity, and their rights.

The British protesters against Bush already enjoy stable democracy. Nevertheless their prime minister, Tony Blair, has paid a high political price for voicing the same ambitions as Bush for the world's oppressed. But nobody who listened to his speech at London's Guildhall a few nights ago (a speech 99 percent of Americans never heard, unless they happened to be watching C-SPAN late at night) could question Blair's commitment to the pursuit of liberty for others that his countrymen already celebrate.

In his speech calling for a new "forward strategy" in US foreign policy, Bush pledged to put American power "at the service of principle." But this was no bellicose threat of military action against every nation that tramples human rights.

The postwar problems in Iraq must surely have been sobering to the White House and to the American public alike. The president targeted Cuba and Burma (Myanmar) and North Korea and Zimbabwe as "outposts of oppression," but his particular frustration was reserved for the lands of the Middle East, whose lack of freedom, he said, had been "excused and accommodated," for 60 years by Western nations.

Thus persuasion, and the encouragement of the "leaders of new democracies," who will one day emerge "from prison cells and from exile," seems to be at the heart of the new policy.

Particularly interesting were his remarks about Iran. Though US intelligence about Iraq's nuclear planning may have been flaky, there isn't much doubt that Iran has had nuclear ambitions and tried to cover them up. Despite recent Iranian promises of openness to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), designed to forestall sanctions, Iran's potential nuclear capability remains considerable.

Yet Bush made no threat of a US invasion of Iran in his speech, rather suggesting that reform and change should come from within: "The regime in Iran must heed the democratic demands of the Iranian people, or lose its last claim to legitimacy."

A few days before, Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage had assured US senators that regime change in Iran is not US policy. But, said Mr. Armitage, the US would be "very forthright in our views about transparency and governance and human rights."

Experts I've talked to suggest that Iran is not currently in a prerevolutionary mode. Offending newspapers and dissidents feel the brunt of the regime's apparatus of repression. But recent student demonstrations have abated. And while there is substantial discontent (12 to 15 percent of the population "officially" unemployed, but actually perhaps nearer 20 percent), the public seems leery of violent upheaval, instead hoping for peaceful evolution through constitutional means.

Against this background at home, the Iranian regime seems willing to engage in dialogue with the US, while taking pragmatic steps to stave off confrontation with the IAEA, and the European Union, both of which took a tough stand on disclosure and inspection of Iran's nuclear facilities.

While the awesome might of the American military remains evident, the George Bush the British are seeing this week is embarked on a new "forward strategy" that involves far less militancy.

• John Hughes, editor and chief operating officer of the Deseret Morning News, is a former editor of the Monitor.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ageofliberty; ageoflibertyspeech; allianceofvalues; bush43; freedom; nationalsecurity; prosperity; specialrelationship; threepillars; threepillarsofpeace; ukvisit
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To: liberallarry
Imposing democracy on cultures...

Democracy isn't an imposition on cultures. It's an imposition on tyrants.

21 posted on 11/19/2003 9:57:50 AM PST by Monti Cello
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To: Axolotl
And my point is that Muslim societies will not be easily transformed. I never said Muslims couldn't thrive in democratic societies not of their making ... although Europeans, Indians, and Israelis will tell you that assimilating them is not easy.
22 posted on 11/19/2003 9:59:11 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: Monti Cello
So you say. Play games if it makes you feel better.
23 posted on 11/19/2003 10:00:06 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: Axolotl
Did you actually read the article you posted?

Turkey is the only democratic Muslim society...and at least 75% of the world's one billion plus Muslims live in Muslim societies - not as minorities in other societies.

Someone misunderinformed the President - again.

24 posted on 11/19/2003 10:08:03 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
especially for someone with a nickname of "liberallarry", post #21 has all earmarks of a bigot. I simply do not agree with the premise.
25 posted on 11/19/2003 10:08:29 AM PST by Axolotl
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To: liberallarry
Turkey is the only democratic Muslim society...

Try the Muslims in India. Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country in the world. And the Muslim minority in the Phillipines.

26 posted on 11/19/2003 10:10:57 AM PST by dirtboy (New Ben and Jerry's flavor - Howard Dean Swirl - no ice cream, just fruit at bottom)
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To: dirtboy
Other democracies include Indonesia (170mil, largest muslim pop'n on earth), India (100 mil.)...

of course i read the article i posted ... you run the risk of making a fool of yourself

27 posted on 11/19/2003 10:15:04 AM PST by Axolotl
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To: Axolotl
Sorry dirtboy, response intended for liberallarry
28 posted on 11/19/2003 10:15:42 AM PST by Axolotl
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To: Axolotl
I think you mean post #22.

I am certainly not politically correct. Does that make me a bigot? ... a strange conclusion - especially for a conservative. :)

29 posted on 11/19/2003 10:18:26 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
Just to calrify, since I am messing up my posts for some reason.

1) It is your post #22, not #21, where I though you sound like a bigot.

2) My post #27 was directed at you and not dirtboy.

30 posted on 11/19/2003 10:19:20 AM PST by Axolotl
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To: dirtboy
India is not a Muslim society. Neither is the Phillipines. If you want to call Indonesia a democratic Muslim society you still do not end up with more than half of Muslims living in democratic societies...or any convincing evidence that non-democratic (mostly Arab) Muslims societies will be easily transformed.
31 posted on 11/19/2003 10:22:27 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
Your implication was that Muslims do not have the capacity to run a democratic society. If you made a similar statement about blacks, jews, etc., it would sound pretty bad.
32 posted on 11/19/2003 10:22:42 AM PST by Axolotl
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To: liberallarry
Bush said that more than half of all Muslims live in democratic societies, he did not say that most Muslim majority societies are democratic...
33 posted on 11/19/2003 10:24:29 AM PST by Axolotl
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To: liberallarry
India is not a Muslim society

That's not the point. You were contesting this claim by Bush:

more than half of the world's Muslims are today contributing citizens in democratic societies.

It does not have to be a majority Islamic country (India, Phillipines) to meet Bush's criteria here. So you were wrong.

34 posted on 11/19/2003 10:26:12 AM PST by dirtboy (New Ben and Jerry's flavor - Howard Dean Swirl - no ice cream, just fruit at bottom)
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To: liberallarry
so, these other cultures just aren't capable of understanding freedom, so therefore it's a waste of our time and resources? Were the sacrifices of WWII not worth it? I'm sure the entire world would beg to differ.
35 posted on 11/19/2003 10:26:47 AM PST by proudmilitarymrs
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To: liberallarry
democracy and openness are very good ideas, good for almost everyone.

Almost everyone? Whom do you exclude?

36 posted on 11/19/2003 10:26:49 AM PST by workerbee
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To: liberallarry
I'm not playing games, I'm challenging your assumption that democracy is in any way 'imposed' on 'cultures'.

As a practical matter, yes it is difficult to unseat tyrants and develop the institutions for self-rule. But morally, there's no problem with encouraging self-rule for other peoples.

37 posted on 11/19/2003 10:30:42 AM PST by Monti Cello
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To: workerbee
Crooks, pigs, priveledged minorities, theocratic madmen, bigots, tyrants, aristocrats, etc. All human beings you know...and not insignificant in numbers. :)
38 posted on 11/19/2003 10:31:56 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
Cute. But I think you meant something entirely different with your original statement. As in the familiar "that's just the way those people are...."
39 posted on 11/19/2003 10:37:08 AM PST by workerbee
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To: Axolotl
Your implication was that Muslims do not have the capacity to run a democratic society

No, my implication is that Muslims, particularly Arabs, have not constructed and run democratic societies...and their history and present circumstances make it difficult for them to do so. It's noteworthy that Ataturk thought it necessary to disestablish the Muslim religion in order to democratize Turkey.

He did it - not me. :)

40 posted on 11/19/2003 10:38:14 AM PST by liberallarry
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