Kennedy assassination solved!

[TJFLSTRAT]

By the way, if the wound at the JFK's throat, you know where he is holding his hands?, was an exit wound, the trajectory from the school book depository would have most likely been a fatal shot, or at the least rendered JFK unconcious

[FreedomCalls]

How so?

[FreedomCalls]

So why does his head snap back hard on the last shot?

See the drawing in my post at 30.

[swampfx]

bump

[swampfx]

Jim Garrison's Playboy Interview

[GaryL]

I just read through the entire 285 posts in this thread! I just want to thank you for the incredible service you have done with your posts for all of us who have no vested interest in this case other than the pursiut of the truth!You must be really exhausted battling with some of these people who couldn't be persuaded no matter what evidence you give them. If I were you, I wouldn't waste too much more time on what seems to be a fruitless effort.

For years I was a "conspiracy nut" who read every book on the assassination. I even went to symposiums and visited Dallas. Then I read "Case Close" back in 1993. I realized then what a gullible fool I had been. I've read it two more times since. All I can say to those posters in this thread who still think there was a conspiracy, is to please read this book. You owe it to yourself.

I'm "freed" from all these crazy assassination theories. Boy, does it ever feel good. Thank God for Gerald Posner! For me, this case is closed. Thanks again for your monumental effort in this thread.

[ladyinred]

NO HE DIDN'T, SO YOU GIVE IT UP!

[FreedomCalls]

Thank you so much. It is extremely exhausting trying to convince people who are basing their opinions on emotion rather than logic. And in the end it probably is futile. But if I can get just one person to breathe the fresh air of the truth and logic, I will feel vindicated.

For decades Democrats have been winning in the public arena by appealing to emotion. Republicans have always tried to appeal to logic and reason and not always successfully. I too, felt that the Posner book was the straw that broke the camel's back of the conspiracy theories. No one should have their mind clouded by the awful ideas that the conspiracy theorists put forward -- when they do think that way they are setting themselves up for recruitment by the Democrats. Look at the arguments used against our actions in Iraq. They are similar -- based on a conspiracy by Halliburton, or a plan to impose martial law, or other nonsense.

Know the truth and the truth shall set you free someone once said. If you don't know the truth you are setting yourself up to be a possible slave to demagogues. "The government wasn't telling the truth in 1963, therefore they are not telling the truth now -- Vote Dean!"

Thank you again.

[PA Engineer]

Heads-up to PA Freepers. PCN is now running the proceedings of the Cyril Wecht meeting of Forensic Pathologists. I hope they link the proceedings to their site at a later date.

www.jfk.duq.edu

Wecht also had a few words about the Ron Brown "murder" in his opening remarks.

[ConservativeMan55]

Haven't you heard ladyinred? Elvis Shot JFK!

[PhilDragoo]

Craig Roberts, Kill Zone: A Sniper Looks at Dealey Plaza, Consolidated Press International, 1997 ed., pp. 89-90:

According to my friend, Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock, the former senior instructor for the U.S.Marine Corps Sniper Instructor School at Quantico, Virginia, it could not be done as described by the FBI investigators. Gunny Hathcock, now retired [deceased 2003], is the most famous American military sniper in history. In Vietnam he was credited with 93 confirmed kills--and a total of over 300 actual kills counting those unconfirmed. He now conducts police SWAT team sniper schools across the country. When I called him to ask if he had seen the Zapruder film, he chuckled and cut me off. "Let me tell you what we did at Quantico," he began. "We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don't know how many times we tried it, but we couldn't duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did. Now if I can't do it, how in the world could a guy who was a non-qual on the rifle range and later only qualified 'marksman' do it?"

Craig Roberts, USMC S/S RVN and author of "One Shot One Kill" and other books, is a member of the U.S. Marine Corps Scout Sniper Association

Craig Roberts' website is RifleWarrior.com

~~~

Harold Weisberg, Case Open, Carroll & Graf, 1994, refutes Gerald Posner, Case Closed.

Weisberg published Whitewash in 1965 and a series of books subsequent to that until his death this year.

Through his dozen FOIA lawsuits he obtained hundreds of thousands of pages of documents from the FBI, Justice Department and other agencies, filling sixty filing cabinets.

Weisberg states that Zapruder said he thought the shots came from his right, the direction of the "infamous grassy knoll" using the phrase from Case Open.

~~~

Assassination Science, James A. Fetzer Ph.D. ed., Catfoot/Carus, 1998 contains an article by David W. Mantik M.D., Ph.D., "Optical Density Measurements of the JFK Autopsy X-Rays". Dr. Mantik finds compelling evidence the anterior-posterior (front-to-back) skull x-ray is a composite (combination of two images) with a 6.5 mm diameter disc applied--not representing metal or bone, but a forgery.

In an examination of the back wound, Dr. Mantik notes the HSCA placed it precisely 1.1 cm inferior to the first thoracic vertabra, T1. After noting Humes' ignorance of the cross-sectional anatomy of the transverse processes, Mantik finds "the proposed trajectory therefore seems purely imaginary", hence the back wound resulted from a nonpenetrating wound.

[Bonaparte]

see post 24. His brains were all over the trunk hood. Jackie climbed out there to retrieve them.

[Robert Drobot]

Denial bump

[Shooter 2.5]

I noticed a lot of people seem to claim Jackie tried to retrieve Kennedy's brains.

Since the car was going 12 miles an hour, I can probably figure out who far on the trunk it fell.

And please don't expect me to believe someone like Jackie was trying to pick up someone's brains. She was bailing out of that car as quick as she could.

[Bonaparte]

On film she's scrambling onto the trunk lid. At 12 mph, if she wanted out, why not just kick off her heels and open the door? Easier in that tight dress, no? And the doctor at Parkland to whom she opened her hand, the hand holding that brain matter.

[Bonaparte]

Clint Hill jumps onto the car to get Jackie off the trunk and back into the seat where he can protect her and get them all out of there.

[HighWheeler]

How does that image, you referenced above, possibly provide a description of the momentum physics that would still cause is head to snap back? The mv-momentum transfer of the bullet to his head as shown above would have snapped his head foward.

That illustration only confirms that the momentum is vectored to the right and down. His head violently snaps back and up in the opposite direction.

Show me the physics, forces, mass motion, vectors, dynamics that support the theory that the shot came from the back and would cause his head to snap back.

You mentioned "jetting" of the contents to snap his head backwards, yet I have never heard of this explanation before. Do you have a source? A computer modelling of the movie would answer that fairly quickly. I've shot many targets in my life, including plastic gallon jugs of water, clay pots of water, etc., and never once has one of these targets come back toward me, even though there is a huge jet of water out the back. They always absorb some of the momentum of the bullet and go away from the source.

By the way, Nut, (you don't mind me calling you "nut", either, do you?) I'm still open on this issue, and that is the motivation for my questions. If a theory is to be accepted, it should be able to withstand the scrutiny of all questions. I still have questions left unanswered.

[GaryL]

Thanks also for your thoughtful response. You've articulated the situation extremely well and I agree with you 100%, especially the part about Democrats appealing to emotions, while Republicans appeal to reason and logic. When you think about it, that pretty much sums up the difference between the two parties.

I'm sort of new around here, but please count on my support in any future battles with the conspiracy buffs. You've done yeoman work by yourself.

I've thought a lot about why the conspiracy theories continue to thrive, in spite of all rational evidence to the contrary. Read this quote from William Manchester. I think he summs it up well:

"Those who desperately want to believe that Kennedy was the victim of a conspiracy have my sympathy. I share their yearning. To employ what may seem an odd metaphor, there is an esthetic primnciple here. If you put the Holocost on one side of a scale and on the other put the Nazi regime - the greatest gang of criminals ever to seize control of a modern state - you have a rough balance: greatest crime, greatest criminals.

"But if you put the murdered President of the United States on one side of a scale and the wretched waif Oswald on the other side, it doesnn't balance. You want to add something weighter to Oswald. It would invest the President's death with meaning, endowing him with martydom.. He would have died for something. A conspiracy would, of course, do the job nicely. Unfortunately, there is no evidence whatever that there was one."

This Kennedy fascination is essentially media-driven. The media can't handle it that their beloved president was killed by a "lone-nut." The fact that he was a "left-wing lone nut" just adds insult to injury. They will keep searching, hoping to find something to give to Kemnnedy's death the stature they gave him in life.

By the way, I just posted a great editorial on the assassination from today's Chicago Sun-TImes. This may be the best I've ever read. Here's the link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1027455/posts

[painter]

Sorry, I clearly disagree. I am no ballistic expert nor am I a forensic expert. Having said that, I have been a shooter since forever. So is my entire family. I have hunted and shot thousands and thousands of rounds. yes, but could you shoot 3 shots at a moving target so quickly????? HUMMMMMMM

I saw my dad do it at a deer running.4 shots with a bolt action.Killed it!

[Shooter 2.5]

That's a great picture but I would have to see the squence. I thought all this time she was bailing to get out and go to the Secret Service man or something.

Thanks for the picture.