Terrorists are using Canada as a launching pad to illegally enter America.

Channel 7, KIRO TV, Seattle, WA ^ | November 17, 2003 | Chris Halsne, KIRO 7 Eyewitness News Investigative Reporter

[BJungNan]

Oh, and you didn't answer my inquiry. Do you work inside the Bush Administration and/or under an agency head appointed by Bush and/or any agency or government policy forum with involvement in border control issues?

[usurper]

You are still skirting the issue and making excuses. Case in point: Saying that it is local and state governments that are haranging the southern ranchers.

I haven’t heard of the Border Patrol or any other feds arresting them. I haven’t heard of the US attorney’s office prosecuting them.

Let's see if I have your position correct on this. 1). The federal government totally or nearly totally ignores its responsibility to protect our borders causing the problem in the first instance,

I grant you they can and should do more.

2). Then you say it is none of the federal governments business when states and local governments step in to mitigate conflicts arising with ordinary citizens stepping in to protect their property and do what the federal government should have been doing in the first place.

Actually I have not seen the state and local governments doing anything to mitigate the problem. Quite the contrary most are working to undercut what little enforcement the feds have mounted by offering drivers licensees, forbidding their officers to assist the feds, offering a long list for free services and shielding illegals from the feds.

And please, don't bring up the 700 additional agents again. It is insulting to everyone's intellegence and, frankly, I'd think you would be embarrassed to bring it up the first time, much more so to repeat it.

What’s insulting is you portrayal of the administration having done nothing on the northern border issue. Your welcome to your opinion that they have not done enough, but to claim they have not done anything is inaccurate at best.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

No. I discarded the idea of using the military because they do not make good guards on a civilian border anymore then they make good police and for the same reasons.

Using them as border guards in a civilian setting will blunt their training to the point that they are ineffective as a military force. Police and Boarder Patrol are trained to use restraint. They are dealing with only possible law breakers. They are trained to be in places where there is the law, the lawbreakers, the innocent bystander and the "not so innocent bystander but you are never going to be able to prove it in court" and respond differently to all of them.

The military on the other hand is trained to be in a war zone. Restraint will get you and your buddies killed. There are only three groups, us, them and they shouldn’t be here. You protect your buddies, kill the enemy and try not to shoot the “They shouldn’t be here”. Different training, different response.

That is why even in countries where the border guards are part of the military they are also apart. They are trained to be border guard rather the military. So we are back to where we started. You can train them to guard the border, you can train them to be police but then they will no longer be as effective as military.

At that point you might as well hire those civil servents because they likely won't be quitting in four years making it necessary for you to train a new batch.

[BJungNan]

No. I discarded the idea of using the military because they do not make good guards on a civilian border anymore then they make good police and for the same reasons. Using them as border guards in a civilian setting will blunt their training to the point that they are ineffective as a military force.

Your quick wit at assigning positions to others that they do not hold and your complete avoidence to a very specific question tells me that you are a professional spinmeister.

You can keep spinning this nonsense but I am quite certain no one on here is buying it. Save it for CNN or the Sunday morning talking head shows.

"Using them as border guards in a civilian setting will blunt their training to the point that they are ineffective as a military force." Give me a break buddy. Do you really think people on here are that stupid?!

[Mr.Atos]

If that image doesn't make the point immensely clear...

...And despite the rugged terrain in the more remote areas, it is not unlike the border region they trained in - Afganistan/Pakistan; A few more trees for cover to be sure.

Atos

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Your quick wit at assigning positions to others that they do not hold and your complete avoidance to a very specific question tells me that you are a professional spinmeister.

I am sorry. I re-read your last post to me and I did not see a question there. If you would care to repeat it I will answer. I don't think I assigned a position to you either. I thought we were discussing ideas. As for me being a professional spinmeister, that is funny.

And no, I don’t think the people here are stupid. What I said about their training being blunted is a fact that has been confirmed by other countries that have tried it. Police and border guards are not military, the military is not best used being turned into police and border guards.

[Mr.Atos]

... and Grizzly Bears, Black & Brown Bears, Giant Cougars, Wolves, Survivalists, and a rare Bigfoot or two. Not to mention, avalacnches and the unpredictability of weather that can drop 3 feet of soggy snow in one night.

It may a bit more dangerous, I guess.

[BJungNan]

Sorry, I had two browser windows open and wrote a reply to you that was intended for someone else.

[HardStarboard]

Rssam - terrorist who came across into Washington State from Victoria BC on the ferry in December '99 I think:

>>>I have no idea how they caught him...<<<

They asked him a few questions - the normal ones - and the Border Agent, a woman as I remember, noticed his nerviousness and lack of English speaking ability....so she asked him to open the trunk, at which point he started hoofing it down the highway. Some Border guys caught up with him. He had all sorts of explosive materials and bomb making stuff in the trunk.