[MacDorcha]

you arent well versed i the rules regarding what is called rightous suicide, are you? the normal reason for suicide under those circumstances is that (if indeed, it was the father who did it) they did something so dishonourable, that the family would actually benefit from his suicide.

they would live with less shame.

but normally, the father is the head of the household, and so makes the name. its those that live in the house that can bring dishonour or honour to the name. the father IS the name.

[stuartcr]

You are correct in that I am not well-versed in suicide rules....why should I be, it's a stupid concept.