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Knoppix Linux penetrates Windows security. I used it to rescue/recover from Windows crash
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Posted on 11/18/2003 5:26:20 AM PST by dennisw

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To: dennisw
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21 posted on 11/18/2003 7:11:24 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: AppyPappy
I've used Knoppix to recover data from a windows drive. Works great

My normal procedure would have been to drag and drop the files I wanted to keep. Then re-install Windows, XP in this case. This crashed XP (registry problem) was on the NTFS files system. Even when this hosed XP drive was made a slave, I could not drag (from the XP administrator folder) and drop files I wanted to keep. I tried to drag and drop onto another XP/NTFS computer and could not do. I was denied permission to do this. Why, I don't know. 

So XP/NTFS security prevented me from drag and drop recovery. But Knoppix penetrated XP security with no sweat.
This also means a thief can penetrate some "secure" computers if he has a Knoppix CD and a USB CD-burner. Or floppy discs can be used to lift vital data, you can also email a file via attachment on yahoo e-mail.

Even without copying and stealing files, someone can uses Knoppix to enter a computer and jot down notes of what's inside. Knoppix makes all files visible on many systems. It made all my XP files visible including the blocked ones in the administrator folder

22 posted on 11/18/2003 7:19:38 AM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: dennisw
Knoppix is an awesome distro. I've been playing with it the last couple of weeks off and on to familiarize myself with it in case any of my boxes go south on me. It's also a great worry-free way to introduce folks to linux.

I also see that you've already gotten your first anti-linux flame pretty fast! Congratulations!

23 posted on 11/18/2003 7:41:18 AM PST by zeugma (If you eat a live toad first thing in the morning, nothing worse will happen all day.)
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To: ProudGOP
I haven't used unix for a while but I may get make a CD and boot it up to check it out.

I highly reccommend it. Knoppix is a pain-free way of getting your feet wet with unix. It's a part of my standard toolkit now. I was pretty suprised at the fact that it booted up just fine on my dell laptop at work and recognised everything from the usb and sound to the power management functions. Altogether, it's an excellent tool.

24 posted on 11/18/2003 7:46:01 AM PST by zeugma (If you eat a live toad first thing in the morning, nothing worse will happen all day.)
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To: dennisw
Penetrates Windows security?!? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one. Now try turning on NTFS Encryption. Game over.
25 posted on 11/18/2003 7:56:18 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: ibheath
Reference bump
26 posted on 11/18/2003 8:11:17 AM PST by ibheath (Born-again and grateful to God for it.)
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To: dennisw
I have Knoppix, Puppy linux, and DSL (Damn Small Linux) all on CD's, my older machine fails to boot off of my CDroms, I have set the bios to boot from and ISO bootable floppy but it only works sometimes. I think I have a bad copy of the ISO file or I am burning the ISO file incorrectly, any ideas how I could get it to work better??
27 posted on 11/18/2003 8:20:47 AM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: dennisw
Those "System Recovery Disks" that came with your computer will erase all of your data.

Really?  Is that what they do? 

I must have used them wrong because they didn't erase any of my data.

 

What a crock....these two authors should have their butts kicked.

I like the fact that there are alternatives to Windows and that there are people out there willing to help others with their problems....for free.

But it's so annoying to see people lie, and in some cases, watch them give advice that creates as many problems as it solves.

28 posted on 11/18/2003 8:22:29 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: MD_Willington_1976
I think I have a bad copy of the ISO file or I am burning the ISO file incorrectly, any ideas how I could get it to work better??

I always download the checksum at the same time, into the same folder, as the main download. This way I don't lose it. I use Ipswich FTP to do downloads from FTP sites since it can resume a disrupted download. You have to run the checksum on the download to verify it. Here are some Windows checksum programs. This Advanced CheckSum Verifier seems good. The one I used is on my home computer so I'm not sure what it was called. I downloaded Knoppix from some other sources and got bad stuff. Try the chemnitz.de ftp   I mention at top of post. I downloaded 3 Red Hat discs and Knoppix and they were all 100% Kosher. They work OK and the checksums verified the downloads

Good Knoppix (and other Linux) download site---> ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/

Knoppix is burned direct to CD. I used Nero because the Knoppix/Nero instructions are on the internet. Basically you bypass the Nero intro and go to the option where you burn an image. Also, if your download is good Nero will recognize it as an image file. If not a good download it will not recognize it as an image file.  The downloaded ISO image is burned direct to your new Knoppix CD. It is definitely bootable.

This Advanced CheckSum Verifier seems good.

29 posted on 11/18/2003 8:49:55 AM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
All you have to do is boot with the XP cd-rom and do a repair (basically a re-install onto the same partition). Fixes all problems and doesn't erase personal data in the process.
30 posted on 11/18/2003 8:55:13 AM PST by Keeper of the Turf (Fore!!!)
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To: dennisw
The site: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
states Closed because of ”Software-Patents".

It looks like I am too late.


31 posted on 11/18/2003 9:40:15 AM PST by RJL
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To: RJL
Best download site for Knoppix Linux --->>>

ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/


I downloaded from there and got a clean copy of Knoppix.

32 posted on 11/18/2003 9:43:29 AM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: RJL
I just downloaded it successfully from the ftp site. Of couse, I mistakenly downloaded the version that was posted on 11-3, but when I tried to download the latest version posted on 11-14, I got an error saying I cannot connect to server.
33 posted on 11/18/2003 9:46:38 AM PST by Keeper of the Turf (Fore!!!)
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To: Keeper of the Turf
Now it's working.
34 posted on 11/18/2003 9:47:45 AM PST by Keeper of the Turf (Fore!!!)
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To: Bush2000
Good one. Now try turning on NTFS Encryption. Game over.

Except that in Micro$oft's infinite wisdom; such a security measure is not activated by default, and how many of Bill's users actually turn it on? Hmmmmm?

So for all intenets and purposes; it does by-pass winders security.

35 posted on 11/18/2003 10:26:19 AM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: dennisw
I have WS_FTP LE and for the life of me I cannot connect

Profile = anonymous
host address = ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/knoppix/
host type = auto detect
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36 posted on 11/18/2003 11:25:20 AM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: dennisw
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37 posted on 11/18/2003 11:40:47 AM PST by Louisiana
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To: Lunatic Fringe
And this is "Front Page News" because...???

Well, at least for us techies...this IS front page news. I have not tried this to in order to recover from a really bad Windows crash, but if this works as its described...its a big deal.

38 posted on 11/18/2003 11:49:42 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
I must have used them wrong because they didn't erase any of my data.

Then you have an enlightened computer manufacturer.

Specifically, Sony's system "recovery" disk for their VAIO laptops will completely erase the C: drive (but apparently preserve the D: drive), installing a new copy of Windows XP and the applications included by Sony.

What a crock....these two authors should have their butts kicked.

As it turns out, they were partially right. You have provided an contrary example. But, the inverse is also true: there are system "recovery" disks that do erase user data. So, should you be subjected to the same penalty?

In all fairness, a retail or OEM copy of Windows XP is all you may need to avoid the erasure. It's how I did it. The Product Key is unique to your installation, but the WinXP distribution disk is apparently not unique. I was able to use an OEM disk for another computer, and enter the Product Key from the certificate of authenticity (COA) on the bottom of my friend's Sony laptop.

39 posted on 11/18/2003 12:05:36 PM PST by justlurking
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To: Keeper of the Turf
All you have to do is boot with the XP cd-rom and do a repair (basically a re-install onto the same partition). Fixes all problems and doesn't erase personal data in the process.

If you have a true Windows XP distribution CD-ROM, that's true. However, as I have pointed out in a couple of other postings, the "System Recovery Disk" supplied by some manufacturers do not offer this option -- it's all or nothing.

It's stupid, but it's reality. After experiencing the problem with a friend's Sony VAIO computer, I bought an extra copy of WinXP for my own Sony VAIO, so I don't find myself in the same situation. I'll never buy another Sony VAIO laptop, or any other computer that doesn't provide a true Windows OEM distribution CD-ROM.

40 posted on 11/18/2003 12:10:27 PM PST by justlurking
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