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Pretrial hearing starts on allegations military officer mistreated Iraqi detainee-Lt. Col West
AP | 11/18/03 | JIM GOMEZ

Posted on 11/18/2003 4:19:03 AM PST by kattracks

TIKRIT, Iraq (AP) -- A U.S. military court opened a hearing Tuesday into accusations that an American lieutenant colonel manhandled and threatened to kill an Iraqi detainee, allegedly firing his gun near the man to get information on a possible plot to kill him.

Lt. Col. Allen B. West -- the most senior officer of the 4th Infantry Division to face such a proceeding -- attended the hearing with his lawyer in a U.S. military base in Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit.

West is accused of punching and firing a pistol near the prisoner, Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, on Aug. 20 while he was being interrogated in Taji, according to Lt. Col. Jimmy Davis, who presided over the hearing.

West also allegedly threatened to kill the detainee if he did not talk, Davis said, reading from a fact sheet. The hearing is to determine whether West should face court-martial.

A preliminary investigation alleged that West's actions were in violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. West remained in Iraq after the incident and was assigned to other duties in the division, officials said.

Maj. Robert Reginelli, who investigated the case, testified during the Tuesday hearing that the detainee, who is an Iraqi policeman, alleged that West pointed a gun at him during questioning. Other soldiers covered Hamoodi's face with a shirt and began punching him in the body and head, Reginelli quoted the detainee as saying.

The soldiers warned Hamoodi that he would be killed if he did not talk, Reginelli said. At one point, West led the detainee out of the detention facility into a weapons' cleaning area.

West allegedly grabbed the detainee by the neck, forced him down on the sand and fired a round near him, Reginelli said, quoting Hamoodi.

The detainee insisted he was not aware of the assassination plot, Reginelli said.

West's driver, Pfc. Michael P. Johnson, testified he saw the officer fire into the sand near the detainee but he did not believe the officer really planned to kill him.

"He was just scared," Johnson described the detainee. "I knew it was wrong."

West's lawyer, Neal Puckett, refused to comment on the accusations. He said West would testify Wednesday in his own defense.

Last weekend, three American soldiers were ordered to stand trial in January on charges of abusing Iraqi prisoners of war at the detention center at Camp Bucca in southern Iraq.

The charges grew out of an alleged incident May 12 in which the three soldiers from the 320th Military Police Battalion allegedly punched and kicked Iraqi POWs. The soldiers said they acted in self-defense, that conditions were chaotic at Camp Bucca, and that guards had been harassed and assaulted daily by unruly prisoners.

The three soldiers, Master Sgt. Lisa Marie Girman, 35; Staff Sgt. Scott A. McKenzie, 38; and Spc. Timothy F. Canjar, 21, are accused of dereliction of duty, cruelty and maltreatment of enemy prisoners of war, filling false official statements, obstruction of justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice.

A fourth soldier originally held on the same allegations, Sgt. Shawna Edmondson, 24, has received an other-than-honorable discharge from the military, which she requested rather than face martial proceedings.

The 4th Infantry Division has jurisdiction over areas west and north of Baghdad, including parts of the violent so-called "Sunni Triangle."



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To: Ispy4u
When I started writing that post, yours was the last post. Don't be paranoid.
41 posted on 11/18/2003 11:01:55 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
Gee, you are slow!
42 posted on 11/18/2003 11:02:40 AM PST by Ispy4u
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To: Ispy4u
Lots of distractions around here of late.
43 posted on 11/18/2003 11:04:44 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MindBender26
There is one question that the lawyer can ask that has tremendous legal and PR benefit: Did Colonel West's action save the lives of American sodiers.

Prosecutor: Objection, speculative question.

Judge: Sustained.

End of that line of questioning.

44 posted on 11/18/2003 11:07:10 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: SLB; colorado tanker
There is not even a majority, it is unanimous in favor of LTC West and his actions. As I said in one of my earlier posts, if we would have had good intel on 23 Dec 70, there would have been two less names on that black wall in DC. We need more men with the gonads to do what he did.

SLB, it is precisely because you have those hard, cold experiences that you understand and are unanimous in your feelings...along with, IMHO, being endowed with a good dose of common sense.

No one wants atrocities...but in this type of a fight, atrocities are the criminal and evil actions taken for their own sake. We have enemies doing that on a regular basis, and perhaps every now and then some of our own. This does not approach that standard or bar.

Following direct orders and written code is critical, but it is also paramount, in time-critical combat situations to allow for, and expect, discretion and judgement from our people. That is what West is guilty of, judgement and discretion that recognized the common sense of violating a written code in order to achieve the best possible results in his given situation.

It is against the law to speed...but when my wife went into quick contractions with our second child and we were still 25 miles from the hospital...I sped all the way there...and infracted the written and posted code by a considerable amount. Those 21 years ago, I do not know of a police officer who seeing the situation, would have impeded me...they would have led the way! I do not know of a jury that would have comvicted me.

It's perhaps not the best comparison...perhap[s the time I was assaulted IN LA and broke all kinds of "ruiles" toi chase down the perp and hold him until the Police got there would be a better one. Just the same, I pray there is good sense and virtue enough left in the 4th I.D HQ to be able to say the same of this episode.

45 posted on 11/18/2003 11:44:19 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
Thanks for the kind words. I am not deserving.

I hope beyond all that we can say here on FR that common sense will come into play here. If not then I fear the loss of many lives due totally to the protecting one's own rear.

There is some hope though. I am working with a group of fairly talented LTCs and MAJs. However some of the O-6's need an additude adjustment which an early retirement would provide.
46 posted on 11/18/2003 11:58:45 AM PST by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
That's why we adopted each other.
47 posted on 11/18/2003 12:07:12 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I don't think you hread me right. E-talk for Heard and Read.)
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To: Flurry
That's going to make the Lovely Laura Earl my adopted sis-in-law. Is she OK with that? :)
48 posted on 11/18/2003 12:43:18 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Dick Gephardt, Before He Can Do It To You!)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
She's cool.
49 posted on 11/18/2003 12:46:09 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I don't think you hread me right. E-talk for Heard and Read.)
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To: Flurry
Yes, she is! And thanks for bringing her into the family. :)
50 posted on 11/18/2003 12:54:26 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Dick Gephardt, Before He Can Do It To You!)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Every family should be so lucky as to add such a ray of sunshine.
51 posted on 11/18/2003 1:02:09 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I don't think you hread me right. E-talk for Heard and Read.)
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To: Flurry
You done good, big bro! :)
52 posted on 11/18/2003 1:24:36 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Dick Gephardt, Before He Can Do It To You!)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Thanks..
53 posted on 11/18/2003 2:13:50 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I don't think you hread me right. E-talk for Heard and Read.)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Thanks. Stupid T-storms keep knocking our pipeline in the crapper. See ya later little sis.
54 posted on 11/18/2003 2:53:45 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I don't think you hread me right. E-talk for Heard and Read.)
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To: Flurry
My pleasure -- just stay safe, big bro! :)
55 posted on 11/18/2003 2:56:45 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Dick Gephardt, Before He Can Do It To You!)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
I'm about to begin my swim home. LulaBelle called earlier and said the rain wasn't too bad, but the wind had the cats freaking out. She is sucha a good dog. But she isn't a ggod driver at all.
56 posted on 11/18/2003 2:58:38 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I don't think you hread me right. E-talk for Heard and Read.)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
I'm about to begin my swim home. LulaBelle called earlier and said the rain wasn't too bad, but the wind had the cats freaking out. She is such a good dog. But she isn't a good driver at all.

Sheesh I need to proof this crap.
57 posted on 11/18/2003 3:00:20 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I don't think you hread me right. E-talk for Heard and Read.)
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To: Flurry
The dog uses the phone and drives?!
58 posted on 11/18/2003 3:07:52 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Dick Gephardt, Before He Can Do It To You!)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
She uses the speaker phone and knows which speed dial button to push. I don't let her drive any more because she kept trenching yards chasing cats. Twice she chased geese into the lake which means twice I had to get my Lezbeanne Yellow Ford Ranger EDGE pick up pulled out of the lake.

Going home now bye bye.
59 posted on 11/18/2003 3:12:52 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I don't think you hread me right. E-talk for Heard and Read.)
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To: Flurry
Hope you had a safe trip home!
60 posted on 11/18/2003 3:52:11 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Dick Gephardt, Before He Can Do It To You!)
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