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To: general_re
One very good rule of thumb in debate...is that you...give...your opponent's argument, such that he himself would consider your description of his position...fair.

Exactly. While I read the Vox Day articles most of the time, this one was not convincing. Which is a shame, because I accept the basic point that valid ethics must have a basis in faith in a Supreme Being. (And I believe you can make a compelling case that Christianity is the best and most sound basis for that faith.)

However, the basis for the 'reason alone is a valid basis for morals' argument is not because Socrates says so. In this case Vox Day is just showing off his erudition, and that's arrogance, not rational discourse.
15 posted on 11/17/2003 7:34:25 AM PST by Gorjus
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To: Gorjus
I agree. I have no doubt that a serious and thoughtful case can be made, exactly as you say, which is why this particular thing is rather disappointing, since it's neither serious nor thoughtful. Maybe you should send a resume to WND - they've obviously got the wrong guy on staff ;)
20 posted on 11/17/2003 8:12:35 AM PST by general_re (Me and my vortex, we got a real good thing....)
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