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U.S. Troops Take on Guerrillas in Iraq
Yahoo News ^ | 11/16/03 | Louis Meixler - AP

Posted on 11/16/2003 7:59:11 PM PST by NormsRevenge

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Troops flooded a Baghdad neighborhood in a new U.S. military offensive against guerrillas Sunday, as an audiotape purportedly made by Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) urged Iraqis to escalate their fight against the occupation.

The U.S. military moves in Baghdad and elsewhere in Iraq (news - web sites) came as the Army tried to determine why two of its Black Hawk helicopters crashed in the northern city of Mosul, killing 17 soldiers in the worst single loss of American life since the war began.

In its offensive, the military fired a satellite-guided missile with a 500-pound warhead at a suspected guerrilla training base, and four insurgents were killed in a separate clash. Both actions are part of an effort to take the fight to the enemy, rather than responding to ambushes and attacks.

"Any of those groups that are working against the best interest of the Iraqis are going to be targeted," said Lt. Col. William MacDonald, spokesman of the 4th Infantry Division.

Strong explosions thundered through central Baghdad after sundown Sunday, apparently part of "Operation Iron Hammer," the new "get tough" strategy.

A large number of U.S. troops, backed by armored vehicles and helicopters, moved into the Sunni Muslim neighborhood of Azamiyah, sealing off a 20-block area and searching vehicles in a show of force.

Meanwhile, the alleged Saddam tape urged Iraqis to escalate attacks against the occupation and "agents brought by foreign armies" — an apparent reference to Iraqis supporting the coalition.

The speaker on the tape, aired on Al-Arabiya television, said the only way to end the chaos in Iraq was for Saddam and his now outlawed Baath Party to return to power.

The CIA (news - web sites) said it would review the tape for its authenticity. But President Bush (news - web sites) dismissed the recording.

"I suspect it's the same old stuff. It's propaganda. We're not leaving until the job is done, pure and simple," Bush said. "I'm sure he'd like to see us leave, if in fact it's his voice. I know the elements of the Baathist party, those who used to torture, maim and kill in order to stay in power would like to see us leave."

The voice in the recording resembled Saddam's, but was huskier and the speaker seemed tired.

"The evil ones now find themselves in crisis and this is God's will for them," he said.

The only solution for Iraq, the speaker said, was for "the zealous Iraqi sons, who ran its affairs and brought it out of backwardness ... to return ... to run its affairs anew," he said, referring to the Baath leadership.

The speaker also lashed out at Iraqis who cooperate with the U.S. military, calling them "stray dogs that walk alongside the caravan."

The top U.S. administrator in Iraq, L. Paul Bremer, said Saddam likely made some arrangements for a guerrilla war against the Americans before his regime fell in April.

"I think there are some indications that he had prepared for a low-intensity conflict, terrorist war, the kind we're seeing now, beforehand," Bremer said on "Fox News Sunday." "There had been some documents that have come to light since liberation that suggest there were preparations."

In northern Iraq, the U.S. military was investigating whether insurgent ground fire caused the crash of the two U.S. helicopters, which were from the 101st Airborne Division. The aircraft went down in residential neighborhoods of Mosul, Iraq's third-largest city.

 

"There are reports that there may have been ground fire, and one of them may have been trying to avoid that. We just don't know at this point," Bremer said on "Fox News Sunday."

Witnesses said the two aircraft collided, and some said at least one was struck by hostile fire. Military spokesman Col. William M. Darley said the cause of the crash "will be under intense investigation today" and dismissed reports of ground fire as speculation.

All the victims were from the 101st Airborne, which is based in Fort Campbell, Ky., a military spokesman said. Division spokesman Maj. Trey Cate said one helicopter carried a quick response team that was on its way to investigate a shooting incident in which a U.S. soldier was injured. The other helicopter was on a transport mission.

An Iraqi policeman in Mosul said at least one of the Black Hawks was hit by ground fire.

"They hit it with a missile," said policeman Saddam Abdel Sattar. "I was in the army. I know these things."

Another witness said he heard gunfire on the ground before the crash.

"The Black Hawks were in the air and there was shooting. It was dark and one slammed into the other," said an Iraqi Civil Defense Corps soldier who identified himself only as Mahmoud.

Before the Saturday crash, the U.S. military's deadliest single incident since the Iraq war began March 20 was the downing of a Chinook helicopter near Fallujah on Nov. 2 that killed 16 soldiers. A Black Hawk was also shot down on Nov. 7 in Tikrit, killing all six soldiers on board.

The Saturday crash raised to 417 the number of Americans who have died in Iraq since the invasion, including combat and non-combat deaths.

Separately, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld cautioned on Sunday that the Bush administration plan to establish a provisional Iraqi government by June, ending the American occupation, does not mean not mean U.S. troops will withdraw soon. The issue of troops is "on a separate track" from the political timetable, he said.

On the streets of Iraq, there were mixed feelings.

"I would hope the Americans would leave even before June. We prefer they leave as soon as possible since their staying here causes all the problems," said Hussein Abaid, 52.

But Essai Khallaf Jabar, 48, disagreed.

"It's hard to satisfy all the desires of Iraqi people. Finding a leader is not going to be easy," he said. "I still wish the Americans would stay longer, four or five years, to take care of security."

In other Iraq developments:

_ In Paris, French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin said the U.S. plan to cede power in Iraq by June moves too slowly, and he urged occupation forces to have a provisional government in place by the end of 2003.

_ In Mosul, a roadside bomb detonated under an Army convoy, wounding five soldiers.

_ The military said four Iraqi insurgents were killed late Saturday in two separate clashes with U.S. troops in Diyala province, and U.S. troops fired a missile with a 500-pound warhead at a suspected training base for Saddam loyalists near the northern city of Kirkuk. There was no immediate information on casualties and damage, he said.

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Associated Press correspondents Mariam Fam in Mosul and Bassem Mroue and Slobodan Lekic in Baghdad contributed to this story.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: enemy; gitsum; guerrillas; iraq; ironhammer; takeon; troops

1 posted on 11/16/2003 7:59:11 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Call me old-fashioned, but I like the sound of an H Bomb. :o)
2 posted on 11/16/2003 8:01:37 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: NormsRevenge
Both actions are part of an effort to take the fight to the enemy, rather than responding to ambushes and attacks.

Finally. I'll bump that.

Why we would take hundreds of thousands of men and materiel half way round the globe to "take the fight to the enemy" but in large part fail to do so in the local theater has baffled me for months.

3 posted on 11/16/2003 8:02:32 PM PST by Principled
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Call me old-fashioned, but I like the sound of an H Bomb. :o) You are a little old-fashioned. I believe a few tactical nukes would do just fine.
4 posted on 11/16/2003 8:04:39 PM PST by boycott
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To: NormsRevenge
Yahoo using "guerrillas " for these murdering scum!
5 posted on 11/16/2003 8:06:40 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (CCCP = clinton, chiraq, chretien, and putin = stalin wannabes)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
It caught my eye too. ;-)
6 posted on 11/16/2003 8:07:49 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .....)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
They just updated the article 4 minutes ago, now called

"U.S. Strikes Alleged Iraq Training Base" :-\
7 posted on 11/16/2003 8:10:00 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .....)
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To: Principled
Finally!

Good 'Gap' Hunting!!

8 posted on 11/16/2003 8:12:43 PM PST by maestro
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To: NormsRevenge
we should destroy any neighborhood that allows boobytraps or ambushes to be perpetrated on us. the Iraqis should be policing their neighborhoods and warning us before these things can happen. If they aren't with us then they are against us.
9 posted on 11/16/2003 8:20:02 PM PST by fatrat
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To: NormsRevenge
Quagmire! Quagmire!
10 posted on 11/16/2003 8:20:18 PM PST by Jorge
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To: NormsRevenge
Whats this 500lb 'missile' the media is having fits over? isn't it just a regular JDAM or is this something else?

And 1 500lb warehead? doesn't sound like much of a bang really.
11 posted on 11/16/2003 8:26:20 PM PST by battousai (Coming Soon to an election near you: Pasty White Hillary and the Nine Dwarves!)
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To: boycott
A MOAB would work well.
12 posted on 11/16/2003 8:27:19 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (CCCP = clinton, chiraq, chretien, and putin = stalin wannabes)
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To: Principled
Why we would take hundreds of thousands of men and materiel half way round the globe to "take the fight to the enemy" but in large part fail to do so in the local theater has baffled me for months.

Our forces have been taking the fight to the enemy daily since they entered country. While they may be a bit more high profile now, including using JDAMs and the like, counterinsurgency operations have never ceased.

13 posted on 11/17/2003 6:27:15 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Coop
ok
14 posted on 11/17/2003 6:36:13 AM PST by Principled
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To: Coop
Whatever you say, chief.
15 posted on 11/17/2003 6:37:42 AM PST by Principled
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To: Principled
So you're calling me a liar? Very nice, especially from a screen name such as yours. I'm quite capable of reading, and could provide you with probably 50-60 links on various counterinsurgency operations performed in Iraq before this week, but I see no need to waste my time. You've previously proven how close minded you are.
16 posted on 11/17/2003 7:40:37 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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