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The New Iraq Is Grim, Hopeful and Still Scary
New York Times ^ | November 16, 2003 | By JOHN F. BURNS

Posted on 11/16/2003 7:43:04 AM PST by 68skylark

BAGHDAD — To return to Baghdad after six months is to encounter a country at once dispiriting and yet, in spite of all, still hopeful, if flaggingly so. The letdown begins at 19,500 feet over the southwestern limits of the city, in a twin-turboprop aircraft of Royal Jordanian Airlines that seeks safety from ground-to-air missiles by flying a downward spiral over what was Saddam International Airport — the first foothold seized by American troops when they reached the city on April 3, and now a principal stronghold of the American occupation.

With no metal chaff or magnesium flares to fool missile guidance systems, the pilots on the 600-mile flight from Amman pray they will outwit attempts to shoot down the aircraft by keeping their spiral over populated areas of the city and a stretch of desert reaching northwest to the town of Abu Ghraib. Landing is a relief, still more so for a first encounter with the polite, American-trained Iraqi immigration officials who have replaced the thugs of Mr. Hussein's time who imposed compulsory AIDS tests and searched every bag for forbidden "spying equipment" like satellite telephones.

Even the path of descent into the airport seemed a metaphor for a reporter who spent months before, during and after the American-led invasion in Baghdad, covering the last chapter of Mr. Hussein's rule and the first weeks of the American occupation.

Nothing was so grim in that compelling and often frightening passage as the events at the Abu Ghraib prison on Oct. 20, 2002. Mr. Hussein, seeking to counter President Bush's characterizations of him as a murdering tyrant, ordered 100,000 prisoners released from his prisons then, many of them from the vast, forbidding complex at Abu Ghraib.

The day turned into a parable of his terror, and, because of what some criminals released that day have done to support the violence now directed at the American occupation, a harbinger of much that followed. At the prison, emaciated men emerged into the sunlight after long years incarcerated, often for nothing more than whispering against Mr. Hussein; women in black cloaks fell to the ground in despair, appealing to Allah, when husbands, brothers and sons they hoped had survived proved to be gone forever.

Just over a year later, I glimpsed the prison again, far below, now metamorphosed into a detention center for many of the 5,000 loyalists of the old regime who are held as detainees by the American command.

Somewhere north and west, in the "Sunni triangle" between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, and further north around the oil cities of Mosul and Kirkuk, some criminals who left Abu Ghraib have enlisted in the anti-American underground, American officials say. These former prisoners now help carry out roadside explosions, suicide truck bombings and assassinations that have some of the occupation's critics worrying about a new Vietnam.

Over all, more Iraqis than Westerners have died in the suicide bombings at the United Nations compound, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the Baghdad Hotel and, last week, the Italian military police compound in Nasiriya. But the anxieties are most palpable among Westerners. Many who work for Western relief agencies, construction companies and other organizations essential to Iraq's rebirth are talking of following others who have already headed home.

Many of the Westerners live in Baghdad, a city made a maze by newly erected, blast-resistant concrete walls, no-go areas that alter the geography of whole neighborhoods, rolls of razor wire placed by the Americans, and military checkpoints.

At the Palestine Hotel, where I was taunted in the last weeks of Mr. Hussein's terror by officials of his information ministry as "the most dangerous man in Iraq" because of my articles about the regime's brutality, some of the same Iraqis, who now work as interpreters for Western news bureaus, caution me against staying in the 16th-floor room I used to inhabit. It is, they say, potentially vulnerable to the rockets and truck bombs of Mr. Hussein's die-hards.

It is a world upside down, or at least skewed, for anybody familiar with Mr. Hussein's Iraq, a world that challenges much that seemed sure in the days when the drums of war were sounding in Washington.

Then, many of us believed that Iraqis craved, and deserved, their liberation from Mr. Hussein. Despite all the disappointments of the occupation, there has been little change in that view, judging by what was almost certainly the first scientifically conducted public opinion poll in Iraq, by the Gallup Organization in late September.

Not all the findings were music to Washington's ears, especially the one in which 47 percent of the 1,178 Baghdadis polled said they were worse off under American occupation, while only 33 percent judged themselves to be better off.

But against this, and the bedrock on which American prospects here may well depend, was the poll's central finding: that 62 percent believed the ouster of Saddam Hussein was worth any hardships they suffered during and after the invasion. In addition, 67 percent said they believed Iraq would be better off five years from now than it was under Mr. Hussein, against 8 percent who thought it would be worse.

Baghdad is not Iraq, and it is certainly not Falluja, Ramadi or Tikrit, where crowds have gathered to cheer the killings of American troops, most recently in the shooting down of two helicopters.

But the random experiences of a week back in the country and among ordinary people I have talked to, by far the most common view has been that for all the American failures, as they see them, a guarantee of greater misery would still be the premature withdrawal of American troops.

These Iraqis, for the most part, do not make that the first point of any conversation, more often it is the last, but it is their bottom line.

Most conversations are still about what is wrong with the occupation. High on the list, predictably, is the humiliation at finding themselves once again subject to foreign rule. Stories abound of perceived insults by American soldiers, often in places like checkpoints where the Americans are at high risk. Being ordered around by a foreigner with a gun, particularly a young man who knows nothing of your language and little of your culture, is always a trigger for discontent.

Also common, though less so now than even a few weeks ago, are complaints about the basic conditions of life. To see cars and trucks lining up on the dirt shoulders of roads everywhere filling their tanks from roadside hawkers with plastic jerry cans is one measure of the frustration in a country with the world's second-largest oil reserves, where a tank of gasoline before the invasion cost about $2.

Never mind that the empty gas stations are the result, largely, of terrorist bombings of pipelines; Iraqis ask what has become of the one thing they have always seen as the measure of their potential wealth and power, oil.

United States officials here issue a torrent of e-mail messages about the efforts made by American troops and contractors spending taxpayers' dollars to rebuild schools, hospitals and oil installations, along with a thousand other projects.

Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the American commander, acknowledged at a news conference on Monday that much work remained to be done in winning "hearts and minds" but complained, as politicians and generals in these situations generally do, that the "good news" about the occupation is rarely told with the same volume as the bad. But, as the debates within the Bush administration attest, finding the balance between what is going right and what is not, in a situation inherently fluid and contradictory, is a problem not just for reporters.

To outsiders, Iraqis can often seem among the Middle East's most congenial people. But they can also be hard to please, as the Americans are discovering. The amiability that greets a Westerner almost everywhere outside the Sunni triangle, and even there when American troops are not around, masks a reflex commonly found among people emerging from totalitarian rule: the sense of individual and collective responsibility is numbed, often to the point of passivity. The Iraqis' instinct to blame their rulers for life's hardships, engendered by Mr. Hussein's regime and at the same time silenced by it, is the Americans' burden now.

But even skeptical Iraqis are acknowledging that some things have improved.

American helicopters that buzzed like night flies in Baghdad's skies in recent days, flying to support the new crackdown on the terrorists, flew over well-lighted suburbs, which had been dark much of the summer. Many Baghdadis still live by a three-hour rotation, power on and off, but the power ministry says the country as a whole is producing as much electricity as before the war. Running water, too, is less of a luxury than it was.

Even among Iraqis who complain most bitterly, it does not take long to discover that some things have changed for the better. Men who ran battered taxis under Mr. Hussein are now profiting by the occupation authority's tax-and-duty-free regime and upgrading to snazzy four-wheel drives. Civil servants who earned $2 a month under Mr. Hussein now get an average of $60.

In another two or three months, the telephone exchanges in Baghdad that were bombed in the war should be repaired, restoring land-line service just as a new commercial cellphone network, Iraq's first, is scheduled to begin operation.

Prices for many staples are higher these days, but the streets and markets are choked with commerce as they never were in Mr. Hussein's latter years.

One thing that draws common assent among Americans and Iraqis is Saddam Hussein. While the bombers seem to want him back in his palaces, virtually everybody else wants to see him dead — captured first, tried by an Iraqi court, then executed for his crimes.

Black jokes about him abound, and children sell $10 dolls of him, delighting when they switch the batteries on and the doll sets into a frenzied jig. Just about everybody believes Mr. Hussein is somewhere within 100 miles of Baghdad, in a basement, cut off from his closest aides, his shoe-black hair turned white, fearful of an American knock on his door.

One thing almost no Iraqi even bothers to discuss is Iraq's most destructive weapons — what Mr. Hussein had, and what he was planning to develop. For people here outside the old hierarchy, the issue that the United States and Britain used to justify the war was never a prime concern. Despite the use of chemical weapons against the Iraqi Kurds, the weapons that terrified Iraqis most were the pistol, the garrote and the gallows.

For the most part, it is the present, not the past, that engages Iraqis' passions. The Iraqis can be incandescent about the perceived failings of the occupation administration led by L. Paul Bremer III, so far short of the American efficiencies that were an Iraqi gospel before. They mock most of the hand-picked Iraqi leaders who form the transitional governing council, saying they spend most of their time abroad on expense-paid trips or maneuvering against one another in the time they are at home.

And Iraqis want an end to the "Ali Babas," the bandits who terrorize neighborhoods and the roads outside Baghdad. After a narrow escape of my own from six masked, Kalashnikov-brandishing Ali Babas who leapt on the highway about an hour north of Nasiriya on Tuesday night, I could see their point.

Only the swift reflexes of Abu Karar, the Iraqi driver who had helped me deal with Mr. Hussein's enforcers before the invasion, saw us through. He switched off our vehicle's lights and drove straight at the Ali Babas at 100 miles an hour, causing them to jump back from the road.

But then there is the bottom line, and it is accessible to anybody who stands on a street corner, as I did in the hours after that near-miss, covering the bombing of the Italian military police compound in Nasiriya.

Gesturing toward the smoking hulk of the headquarters where at least 19 Italians and 13 Iraqis died, I asked the crowds if they thought America and its allies should pack up and go home. In the clamor that followed, I asked for quiet so that each man and boy could speak his mind. Unscientific as the poll was, the sentences that flowed expressed a common belief.

"No, no!" one man said. "If the Americans go, it will be chaos everywhere." Another shouted, "There would be a civil war."

"If the Americans, the British or the Italians leave Iraq, we will be handed back to the flunkies of Saddam, the Baathists and Al Qaeda will take over our cities," another man said.

Nobody offered a dissenting view, though many said it would be best if the Americans achieved peace and left as soon as possible. These people, at least, seemed concerned that America should know that the bombers, whoever they were, did not speak for the ordinary citizens of Iraq.


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In general I'm not a fan of some of the biased reporting from the New York Times. But I'm a huge fan of John Burns -- he's one of the good guys. His writing carries a lot of weight with me.

If there were a few more reporters like him, journalists would have a far better reputation.

1 posted on 11/16/2003 7:43:04 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark
"These people, at least, seemed concerned that America should know that the bombers, whoever they were, did not speak for the ordinary citizens of Iraq."

Needed repeating.....

redrock

2 posted on 11/16/2003 7:50:05 AM PST by redrock (Booga......Booga)
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To: redrock
Yeah, it's good to hear that the average Iraqi doesn't support the bombers. On the other hand, we have to ask ourselves if enough of the average Iraqis want to take some responsibility for putting a stop to this -- will they pass along intelligence tips, or do good work as police officers, and do the other things that citizens do to clean up crime in their own country?

I don't want to sound grim or pessimistic. I supported the liberation of Iraq and I want it to succeed. (I've also volunteered to go to Iraq as a soldier and may find out soon if I'll be called for this duty -- so the issue is very personal for me.)
3 posted on 11/16/2003 7:56:01 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark
A NYT piece on Iraq that does not make Bush look bad? Could be a tad frosty around the newsroom for Mr. Burns.
4 posted on 11/16/2003 8:00:47 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: 68skylark
Bump.
5 posted on 11/16/2003 8:01:46 AM PST by Rocko
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To: redrock
The amiability that greets a Westerner almost everywhere outside the Sunni triangle, and even there when American troops are not around, masks a reflex commonly found among people emerging from totalitarian rule: the sense of individual and collective responsibility is numbed, often to the point of passivity. The Iraqis' instinct to blame their rulers for life's hardships, engendered by Mr. Hussein's regime and at the same time silenced by it, is the Americans' burden now.

This is the paragraph that most caught my eye. I'm not sure exactly what Burns is saying.

He seems to write that it's normal for people coming out of totalitarian rule to feel no real responsibility. That's worrisome. On the other hand, if it's a normal human reaction when emerging from tyranny, then maybe this phenomenon will wear off over time and maybe the Iraqi people will start to feel more responsibility for the future of their own country.

6 posted on 11/16/2003 8:05:54 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: Plutarch
A NYT piece on Iraq that does not make Bush look bad? Could be a tad frosty around the newsroom for Mr. Burns.

Yeah -- you know, isn't it nice when a reporter leaves U. S. politics out of a story and just honestly tries to get the facts on the ground, both positive and negative? This is what great reporting is all about. I'm sorry it's so rare.

7 posted on 11/16/2003 8:08:26 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark
..... of the American occupation.

A reasonable article except for this mis-statement. America is not an occupation force. It is a liberation force. This needs to be repeated everytime the situation in IRAQ is mis-represented.

8 posted on 11/16/2003 10:35:34 AM PST by Col Freeper
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To: 68skylark
I belive that it is normal for those that have been under totalitarian rule to behave like this. Saddam had full control over these people. They probably don't know what to do since they have never had the opportunity to learn that they can and should be responsible for themselves.

Passivity was the only thing that kept these people alive. Dissention, even when it came in the form of trying to make their own decisions, was punishable.

We can't expect them to be ready to fly yet. They have, after all, just now learned that they have wings.

9 posted on 11/16/2003 11:40:06 AM PST by texasflower
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Yeah -- you make good points. It must have been horrible to live under Saddam -- so many freedoms taken away that Americans take for granted. Most people have no idea what they have 'till it's gone!

It seems to me that some societies are able to emerge from cultural passivity (like some of the axis powers after WWII, or some of the countries under the boot of the Soviets). But other countries seems to be almost permenantly stuck in their passive ways -- with permenant poverty and corruption. We might not know for a decade or two which category Iraq falls into.
10 posted on 11/16/2003 12:08:14 PM PST by 68skylark
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And since you're still a little new here let me say - Welcome! I hope you're finding FR to be an enjoyable and friendly forum.
11 posted on 11/16/2003 12:12:31 PM PST by 68skylark
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Thank you for the welcome. I do enjoy it here very much. It has been nice to share views with people from all over.

I agree that it may take the Iraqis quite awhile to shake this off.
12 posted on 11/16/2003 12:16:36 PM PST by texasflower
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To: texasflower
Yeah -- if Iraq takes 10 to 20 years to stand up and get on a path to being a good, tolerant, prosperous country, then I think U. S. citizens can pat themselves on the back for a wonerful victory that's a benefit to all mankind.

But if Iraq is one of those countries that never seems to get up from being flat on its back (Haiti, India, etc) -- well that's a dark outcome.

We haven't had many good examples of an Arab country make the transition from tyranny to tolerance. I'm not sure how it's going to work out, but it's worth making the attempt -- if it works it's a great benefit to us as well as to the Iraqi people, and a beacon of hope to the rest of the Middle East.

13 posted on 11/16/2003 12:33:06 PM PST by 68skylark
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I've read other articles like this. One said that for 30 years, Iraqis were tortured or executed if they dared speak an opinion. So they really aren't in the habit of forming opinions.
On the other hand, many of them are relatively well educated, so they can learn to make decisions. They have the knowledge required, they just have to learn that they can

Many of them are much more capable than the peasants in places like Haiti or Africa. There are Iraqis who weren't really loyal to Saddam but did have gov't jobs in important industries like oil. There are probably enough educated and skilled Iraqis to run the country after awhile.
Next June might be a little soon, but I'd think a gradual turnover could work fairly soon.

14 posted on 11/16/2003 2:15:28 PM PST by speekinout
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IIRC, Burns got a few minutes of increased respect for having spoken the truth
for a few pages in some book on the current Iraqi situation.
I can't recall the details, but I think it was something about CNN's
"blood for interviews" policy in gaining access to Saddam and his party.
I think what Burns wrote was sufficiently condemning that he didn't take calls or
do interviews for awhile.
15 posted on 11/16/2003 2:26:29 PM PST by VOA
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68skylark, I apologize in advance to you and Jim Robinson for stealing this thread momentarily...

Dear Fellow Freepers...I'm hi-jacking this thread for a short side-bar in hopes to inform you to motivate y'all just a bit.....
the deadline (November 13th) for mailing military care-packages via the APO/FPO route to
our best and brightest has passed.

BUT...you can still mail military care packages!
I know, I DID IT YESTERDAY! (Saturday 11-15-03)

It's still TIME to:
SHOP
BOX
and
MAIL


for shipping advice, see threads at these URLs:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1003802/posts
(please not that the USPS website URL are missing a ".com"),
and remember to mark the "Redirect" box and write in "Commander/Chaplain"
on the Customs form...that way your box will definitely be used
AND
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/997310/posts


Further info. on VOA's mailing of two packages on 11-15-03, Saturday

I'll admit that it's costly. I loaded up one of the free "Priority Mail" cardboard boxes from the
local United States Post Office.
I loaded up each of two boxes with all sorts of "comfort food" and "personal hygiene" items that
should be useful, no matter if the recipient gets them or they are redirected by a "commander/chaplain".

I loaded each boxes with food items like...
flavored coffeed (e.g, hazelnut flavored that had sugar in the blend),
artificially-sweetened Tropical-Punch-flavored Kool-Aid (so sugar isn't required),
Spam-brand "Oven-roasted Turkey" (no pork products; metal-sealed for long-term preservation)...something
that a hungry Iraqi might really appreciate as a gift),
Lipton soup-packets in the flavors of "chicken noodle", "ranch", and "beef onion" (humble, but a change of pace!)
Oreo Cookies ("America's Favorite Cookie"...so I bet US soliders like 'em),
M&Ms -- holiday-colors...bet those will be well received around the tent!,
disposable razors (and a bar of "Burma-Shave" brand shaving soap!),
new toothbrushes (heck, might just be useful in cleaning an M-16!) and toothpaste,
solid-form under-arm deoderant....

I'm sure that folks who've actually served in a long-term deployment far from home, especially when separated
from beloved family and friends DURING THE HOLIDAYS can come up with even much more meaningful
and significant items to send to those who are abroad...protecting us, their fellow band of brothers and sisters,
and, at a long reach.....you and me.
16 posted on 11/16/2003 2:37:00 PM PST by VOA
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Sounds good -- we'll mark you down in the "optimist" column. I like optimism. I myself am cautiously optimistic about Iraq.
17 posted on 11/16/2003 2:47:18 PM PST by 68skylark
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Yeah -- I forgot about that. Burns was pretty hard-hitting on quite a few journalists who got cozy with the Saddam government. That's another good reason to like the guy!
18 posted on 11/16/2003 2:48:30 PM PST by 68skylark
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Did you see the article - I think it was in Dear Abby, or maybe Heloise - that cautions against mailing soap in the same package as food? It seems that no matter how well wrapped, the soap makes the food taste like soap.
I imagine that wouldn't apply to tinned foods. But I guess the rule should be that if you wouldn't mix the items in your grocery bags, don't mix them in a care package.
19 posted on 11/16/2003 4:14:05 PM PST by speekinout
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Yes, I am also a cautious optimist. After WWII, no one thought Germany or Japan would become democracies, but we stuck with it for years, and succeeded.
I think this is a smaller problem, and as long as we stick with it, we will succeed.

I'd be wildly optimistic if I knew for sure that W will be re-elected.

20 posted on 11/16/2003 4:18:03 PM PST by speekinout
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