Why Six Days? (Six Days of Creation, Literal Days or Era's.

Koinonia House ^ | 11/15/2003 | Dr. Chuck Missler

[pepsionice]

One of the more amazing things about the earth...which the Lord must have had great insight into...is the 'wobble' which the Earth enjoys, which helps cause four seasons out of the year. Surely, the Lord must have been sitting there and calculating about this necessity.

[Dataman]

Since it would be dishonest to make such an assertion without having done the math necessary to support such a conclusion, I invite you to show your calculations here. Be sure to clearly state the assumptions they're based on.

You are either playing coy or are a slow learner since the information has been given you before. Remember? It was a couple of your own mathematicians that abandoned evolutionism when they discovered the statistical impossibility of the superstition.

Darwinian evolution is most unlikely to get even one polypeptide right, let alone the thousands on which living cells depend for their survival. This situation is well-known to geneticists and yet nobody seems prepared to blow the whistle on the theory. Evolution from Space, F. Hoyle & C. Wickramasinghe

You certainly have the right to disagree, as I have no doubt you will, but first state your credentials and tell us why you should be heard at all.

[VadeRetro]

The "real" science Missler trumpets seems to be a blend of H. Russell Humprhries's "White Hole" theory, Barry Setterfield's CDK, and some sort of Zero-Point Energy Quackery. On the last of these, there is a demonstrable zero-point energy (try a web search on "Casimir Effect"), but it can't be huge or it would be collapsing the universe gravitationally. Neither of the first two has ever succeeded as science.

[Dataman]

There's Hebrew literary devices called redundancy and parallel accounts that explain it quite well. Most people don't know anything about Hebrew literary devices so it's a common mistake to think there are two different, contradictory versions.

You are correct. Genesis is ancient literature and the first 11 chapters predate Moses. Never have I seen an evolutionist critic that treats it as anything but modern lit.

[mcg1969]

God spoke, and it was done, and it took six days...anything else, means you are NOT a Bible believer, but a believer in evolution of some sort.

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your mouth that God raised Him from the dead, then you will be saved.

Tell me where that also says you have to believe in a literal 144-hour creation as well.

[mcg1969]

Duh, it's too early here. That verse should read:

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, then you will be saved.

[Conservative til I die]

The author just makes things worse with his foray into numerology.

[Charles H. (The_r0nin)]

Why Six Days?

Because the creation myth that the ancient Hebrews were most familiar with (the Babylonian Enuma Elish) and patterned their own creation myth after takes place in seven parts. Also, because of a basic translation mistake. The number "seven" in Babylonian also had an idiomatic connotation of "many," so it could be used both as a number and as a general term (much as the ancient Hebrew "forty" was mistranslated by medieval scholars as a direct number where it could have equally meant many... think the Deluge).

[Conservative til I die]

Actually, He did, according to quantum mechanics. Einstein was incorrect.

I love the certainty with which some Freepers speak.

[Just mythoughts]

Excellent point. "Satan", Lucifer, dragon, serpent, destroyer, "DEVIL", so many roles to play.

Yet the description of "him" tells the story, and what brought "him" down and WHEN he fell, sentence passed, all done prior to "man in the flesh" being created. The "DEVIL" and a few of those who followed him in that "FIRST" AGE are the only ones thus far given the "DEATH SENTENCE".

That first heaven and earth "AGE" prior to "man in the flesh" is the "foundation" for this "FLESH" AGE and because we are in "FLESH" that memory is removed.

[general_re]

There is either belief or unbelief. There is no middle ground.

But that's not the choice you're presented with in this article, is it?

[RaceBannon]

(Luke 16:29 KJV) Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

(Luke 16:30 KJV) And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

(Luke 16:31 KJV) And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.



(Exo 20:9 KJV) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

(Exo 20:10 KJV) But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

(Exo 20:11 KJV) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.



Creation is the basis for everything

It is why we wear clothes, why we have families, and most importantly, where Sin began, with Adam, not some mythical creature evolved from some ape like creature, but from a man created on Day 6



If you do not believe in Adam, then you do not believe what the Bible says on where sin came from

(Rom 5:12 KJV) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:



If you dont believe where sin came from, then you have no logical reason to believe in the promise of a Redeemer sent to atone for sin.

(Luke 16:31 KJV) And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.


Those who claim to believe evoution, and in Jesus being the messiah are believing on two diametrically opposite beliefs, two total opposites.

[Just mythoughts]

Oh, but Moses did not write/recite "two different contradictory versions of the Creation".

He wrote of two different "DAYS" of Creation. The 6th day of CREATION and it was "GOOD". REST on the 7th day. Then there was NO MAN to till the ground, no farmer, thus "the Adam" was created and "animals" he was to name.

The Bible is about "the ADAM" his generations, check out who is listed in "Adam's" generations, somebody is not listed there. This "the ADAM" fell while in the "FLESH" and it says the GOD repented that he MADE "MAN IN THE FLESH".

MODERN MAN, not MOSES, recite two different contradictory versions of the Creation.

[mcg1969]

Those who claim to believe evoution, and in Jesus being the messiah are believing on two diametrically opposite beliefs, two total opposites.

First of all, you seem to believe there is only two possibilities: literal 144-hour creation and evolution. That simply is not the case: there is, for example, the "progressive creation" model. I find the progressive creation model of Hugh Ross, for example, quite compelling, and also quite consistent with a day/age reading of Genesis 1.

Secondly, even if God used macroevolution as His method of creation, I don't believe that excludes the intrusion of sin upon the world. Let's not forget that mankind is endowed with a unique gift that no other animal on the planet has: a spirit. It is this spirit that makes sin possible; it is this spirit that is ultimately redeemed by Christ. Thus, it is conceivable that God used evolution as part of His creation miracle, intervening additionally at the emergence of humankind in order to endow him with spirit, and thus make him accountable for sin.

So no, it is not necessarily contradictory to believe in the necessity of Jesus as redeemer and believe in evolution.

But let us suppose for the sake of argument that it is indeed contradictory. Haven't you ever held contradictory thoughts on other issues before? Of course you have. Have you always been 100% logical and consistent in your thinking? Of course you haven't. Thus, since it is possible to hold contradictory thoughts, it is still possible to believe in both the Bible and evolution. It would be incorrect, but possible.

And thankfully, such a person can still be saved, because God does not require us to be 100% correct on secondary issues of theology and doctrine. He only requires that we place our lives in the hands of His Son.

[1john2 3and4]

the tree where satan tempted and deceived our parents was placed there by the lord (by him all things were created) as a test of obedience....it was the "do it because i said so, because you love me, not because you understand it, or agree with it" moment for created humankind. they (& we) failed the test, so here we are, folks!

of all the ten commandments, the one most like the tree is the 4th. some say any day is ok to worship, or more specifically "rest in the lord", some say every day.

some say the law has changed from OT to NT.... since the ceremonial laws (curtain torn by an invisible hand from top to bottom) and civic laws (i confess there have been times a public stoning would have been emotionally satisfying) have changed.

the special object of satan's wrath, the focus of his greatest deceptive energies has been the keeping of.... the 4th commandment, the seventh day sabbath. why has it changed, (or doesnt really matter).....when all the other commandments are still regarded as being "in force"? (most christians & non-christians agree on all that not killing & stealing & lying & adultery stuff).

because "it is a sign....that you are my people, and i am your god"

[1john2 3and4]

He only requires that we place our lives in the hands of His Son

and because we have done that....when we do that....we want to be obedient....

obedience is still required.

[CarryaBigStick]

Just what is a 'day' to all seeing and all powerful God, who can manipulate space/time to His needs and already knows a future that we cannot. We need to consider His point of reference as well as mans when we debate this issue.

Consider known concepts like relativity theory as applied to this argument and it starts to make a little more sense. Time is dependant on your point of reference and your speed...and I suspect that the Lord moves pretty fast.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for the heads up!

How does a serious student of the Torah - the five books of Moses - reconcile the Genesis account with the "billions of years" encountered in the dictums of astronomy, geology, et al?

Here is a response from serious students of the Torah, presented by a Jewish Physicist:

The Age of the Universe

I agree with Dr. Schroeder's analysis and expand on it with New Testament Scriptures here:

Origins

[Mikey]

"if your beliefs (or metaphorical license) can bend the meaning of "day" to mean billions of years, then the creation story sort of works. But science says it "really" took billions of years."

Lets flip that around somewhat. What if our understanding or definition of a year is all wrong?

[RaceBannon]

Sorry, you do not believe the Bible

(Exo 20:9 KJV) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

(Exo 20:10 KJV) But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

(Exo 20:11 KJV) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.