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On ultimate goals: "So let us be blunt about it," says Gary North. "We must use the doctrine of religious liberty to gain independence for Christian schools until we train up a generation of people who know that there is no religious neutrality, no neutral law, no neutral education, and no neutral civil government. Then they will get busy in constructing a Bible-based social, political and religious order which finally denies the religious liberty of the enemies of God."

Chilling.

Orthodox Christians should be afraid, very afraid. Some of these so-called Christian groups don't believe you are truly "christian" unless you handle snakes, are baptised in one direction only and using one TWO syllable name in reference to God as diety ONLY... Three times forward, or one time back may not get it... and as for sprinkle baptisms, which to them, are something you would more appropriately put on sugar cookies... forget it.

I have a better Idea...
Let's let God Build his own church, instead of letting his phony phollowers use the aegis of a corrupted human government, to try to recreate a nation in the image of their own cultist leadership. AKA: The abomination that makes desolate

Cults should be illegal, islamic or christian. and a primary determiner for establishing a religious sect as a cult?
Does it seek ANY political power, coercion or enforcement of it's own creeds? Or does it give pre-eminence to a God-given, free human will?

we train up a generation of people who know that there is no religious neutrality, no neutral law, no neutral education, and no neutral civil government.

As much as a nut job Gary North is (I was doing Y2K remediation in 98 and 99 so I'm real familiar with that old kick of his...), he is actually correct about the above generalization. It has been my observation that there is, in fact, no nuetrality with respect to religion, law education or government.

Now, being a Catholic, I rather dislike the idea of a bunch of uber-Calvanists running things. And I don't particularly want to tell the Baptists what to do, either. Perhaps we could meet on the common ground of trying to get as much govt. out of peoples lives as possible, including working to drive a stake through the heart of publicly funded education. I am confident that the great many competing alternatives that would arise to provide services in an era of the non-nanny state would limit (but not eliminate, sigh) the ability of any group to inflict itself on us.

This does mean, of course, involving ones self in the political process; for the express purpose of reducing the reach and authority of civil government.

Cults should be illegal, islamic or christian. and a primary determiner for establishing a religious sect as a cult? Does it seek ANY political power, coercion or enforcement of it's own creeds? Or does it give pre-eminence to a God-given, free human will?

I thank God that you do not rule our country. You would have to begin by repealing the first amendment. Religious people can only be free in your America if they shut up and sit in their pews.

And how do you establish a cult? Jack Chick insists that the Roman Catholic church's top goal is world domination. Are the Catholics a cult because he says so?

Are Calvanists of conscience cults? This author has tied together a rather flimsy case accusing pro-life Calvanist post-millenialists of wanting to kill 80% of Americans? Are they cults?

Is every pro-life church a cult? Every church that stands against the culture of death, subject to arrest, disbandment, and imprisonment.

Shall a Christian who supports restoring America's constitutional heritage of respect for God in the public sphere now a terrorist?

I'm not scared by Gary North and his ilk. Most Christians would never support their radical agenda, it is rather you who scare me.

For I see in your words a future Stalnist America with concentration camps for "cultists".