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Immigration policy broke; Repair needed
www.kingmandailyminer.com ^ | 11.14.2003 | Marvin Robertson

Posted on 11/14/2003 6:38:40 PM PST by VU4G10

As I looked out my window at the promise of some rain, I kept looking back and forth to two major events that occurred in Phoenix this week.

Both were front page news in Phoenix and hold enormous implications for each one of us individually and for the state and nation.

Mexico's president, Vicente Fox, met with state leaders and with large numbers of his countrymen while in Phoenix. Some of the of those from Mexico were actually in Arizona legally. I suspect some had become United States citizens.

Yet, Fox talked to them like they were citizens of Mexico. He even referred to having them eligible to vote in both countries with dual citizenship.

That should not surprise you. A Middle Eastern country set up polling places across this country, including Arizona, this year so their former and current citizens who were living in the USA could vote in an election being held "back home."

Naturalized citizens take a pledge of loyalty to this country that specifically requires them to disavow primary loyalty to the country they left.

The USA has often been described as a melting pot. That implies that we take them in expecting them to become Americans. Have we changed the policy so we no longer expect immigrants to become an integral part of this country?

Mexico seems to be promoting a dual citizen status that would be an earth shaking change in the unstated policy we have lived with since 1776.

Fox wants us to be the economic development program for Mexico. Already, immigrants from his country send more than $13 billion back home to support family and relatives. That number is with a B. Only oil exports bring more dollars to Mexico It is one of the world's top oil and gas producers.

Yet, they restrict investment by our companies and individuals who are citizens of the USA. I looked at buying a timeshare in Mexico. I found that I could not own property in Mexico. I was to get a long-term lease rather than ownership.

I said no.

The other view from my window was a running gunfight down along 30 miles of I-10 in Phoenix that ended south of Chandler. Two gangs of Mexican smugglers, fondly referred to as coyotes, were shooting each other, evidently to gain better control of a share of the lucrative trade in human life.

Murders are up in Phoenix this year, the Phoenix papers report. They attribute much of the increase to violence in West Phoenix among smugglers. The smugglers kidnap people off the street or from other smugglers and hold them for ransom. Killing one now and then adds to the urgency of paying the ransom.

These illegal immigrants provide a cheap source of labor to build homes in the Phoenix area. Homebuilders can sell houses at more competitive prices. Americans buying the homes appreciate the good buys and never connect that lower price with taking advantage of the immigrants.

Nor do they connect the unemployment rate or the lower wages paid by contractors to US citizens to the illegal labor from Mexico.

We call that exploitation when American companies pay low wages overseas to bring cheaper merchandise from other countries. We even criticize Wal-Mart when we think they do it.

The reason the gunfight on the freeway attracted so much attention was the location. Had the smugglers had the good sense to shoot each other in West Phoenix, they would not have made front page.

It is disgusting that human smuggling has become so profitable that it attracts people who had been in the drug trade. Will we ever demand something be done?

As one citizen said to me, why should we care when the problem does not touch us directly? The "government" should do something.

Do you and I have any responsibility? Would these people quit risking their lives to come to Arizona if no one would hire illegals? What responsibility does each employer have? Is the attitude "Competitors do it so I will too so I can compete" acceptable?

I am sure that no one in Kingman would hire an illegal worker even though I have stumbled on some local workers who spoke no English. U.S. 93 and I-40 are high traffic corridors that carry some of these people to jobs in all directions. Can we assume none ever stop here?

Read Michelle Malkin's book 'Invasion." It could broaden your view of the problems created by our current immigration policies. She is the daughter of legal immigrants from the Philippines who came here for the right reasons and did it by the rules.

Immigration policy is broken. It killed people on Sept. 11. It kills our neighbors from Mexico nearly every day.

I want it fixed, now.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; fox; illegal; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationpolicy; meltingpot; mexico
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1 posted on 11/14/2003 6:38:40 PM PST by VU4G10
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To: VU4G10; TheRightGuy; Lobbyist
Good Luck! We are in a battle and are down to the wire in Illinois, Our Senate wants to vote in Drivers License for Illegal Immigrants ((vote Nov 18th 2003)), Everyone wants to cry and whine
No one wants to do the work that's needed.
But alas..I believe thankfully that history is changed by a few..........................

e-mail David Sullivan and tell him to VOTE NO to SB 67!!!

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State Senators Dave Sullivan (R-33rd District) and Rick Winkel (R-52nd District) joined with 27 Democrats and voted YES on SB67 last Thursday, November 6, 2003. The controversial bill which would require the State of Illinois to issue Driver's Licenses to illegal aliens fell just one vote short of the 30 votes necessary for passage in the State Senate. However, SB67 will come up again for reconsideration on Tuesday, November 18, and two Democrat supporters of the bill who were absent the first time will be present to add their YES votes to the total!

Clearly, our best (and only) chance to stop passage of this bill is to kill it in the senate. And to do that, minds must be changed.


Please contact Senators Sullivan and Winkel and urge them to VOTE NO on SB67!


We must ACT NOW for our voice to be heard!


Contact Senator Dave Sullivan (R-33rd District- Mt Prospect)

senatordavesullivan@msn.com

District Office Phone: 847/734-0033

Springfield Office: 217/782-3875


Contact Senator Rick Winkel (R-52nd District- Urbana)

rickwinkel@rickwinkel.com

District Office Phone: 217/328-0400

Springfield Office: 217/782-2507

3 posted on 11/14/2003 6:48:11 PM PST by chicagolady
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To: VU4G10
Sorry, but it appears President Bush and the rest in DC could care less.
4 posted on 11/14/2003 6:51:52 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: HiJinx
Border Ping???????
5 posted on 11/14/2003 6:59:10 PM PST by chicagolady
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To: 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; A CA Guy
E-mails please??
6 posted on 11/14/2003 7:11:12 PM PST by chicagolady
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To: 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; A CA Guy; ...
Bump-Ping!!!
The Border List TM

Freepmail me if you wish to be removed from or added to this list!

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7 posted on 11/14/2003 7:11:43 PM PST by HiJinx (The Right person, in the Right place, at the Right time...to do His work.)
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To: VU4G10
Bush's utter complicity in this ongoing invasion will outweigh any good he does in office. How are we better off if we defend our country abroad and lose it at home?
8 posted on 11/14/2003 7:16:04 PM PST by resistmuch
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To: VU4G10
As one citizen said to me, why should we care when the problem does not touch us directly?

Oh but it does. 65% of all illegals are on public assistance. We directly pay taxes to subsidize that cheap labor. Less than 6% pay any taxes into the coffers. Our hospitals are closing, ditto clinics because they can't afford to treat all the illegals for free. They cost us dearly...each and every one of us. And only 2% actually pick those strawberries. They're displacing American workers at the rate of 730,000 per year...that's citizens unemployed because business is hiring illegal, under the table laborers.
9 posted on 11/14/2003 7:17:59 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: VU4G10
As one citizen said to me, why should we care when the problem does not touch us directly?

Oh but it does. 65% of all illegals are on public assistance. We directly pay taxes to subsidize that cheap labor. Less than 6% pay any taxes into the coffers. Our hospitals are closing, ditto clinics because they can't afford to treat all the illegals for free. They cost us dearly...each and every one of us. And only 2% actually pick those strawberries. They're displacing American workers at the rate of 730,000 per year...that's citizens unemployed because business is hiring illegal, under the table laborers. And let's not forget the 25-28% jail population that is illegal aliens who have committed crimes against citizens.
10 posted on 11/14/2003 7:18:41 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: All
A Borders, Language, Culture Reply
11 posted on 11/14/2003 7:20:08 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: VU4G10
I want it fixed, now.

I am not sure that we could save this nation now, even if they started today, and sadly they won't start today, or even five years from now.

I weep for our nation, and long for the one that I lived in, where children could walk the street alone, even at night. Doors were never locked and keys were left in cars. Every boy carried a pocket knife and most had rifles and shotguns, that they could use unsupervised.

12 posted on 11/14/2003 7:23:03 PM PST by itsahoot (The lesser of two evils, is evil still...Alan Keyes)
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To: VU4G10
THIS will be the battle for our country this coming decade. It is cheaper for Mexico to help elect "compliant" politicians in the border states than to properly care for its own citizens at home. VF should have had his #ss kicked back to Mexico and GWB ought to be furious with his presumption. In the long term-solve this boder and immigration issue and we'll have a far better grip on terrorism than any Patriot Act could do.
13 posted on 11/14/2003 7:23:18 PM PST by mo
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To: VU4G10
Immigration policy broke Non-existant; Repair needed
14 posted on 11/14/2003 7:24:45 PM PST by SAMWolf (Great leaders resolve conflicts with words. Words like Carpet Bombing, Cruise Missle & Daisy Cutter)
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To: itsahoot
IMHO this, here and now, is where the battle against terrorism starts.
15 posted on 11/14/2003 7:24:57 PM PST by mo
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To: itsahoot
"I weep for our nation, and long for the one that I lived in . . ."

Amen, brother. I truly believe that there will be a serious separatist movement in this country when my grandchildren come of age. I hope it will happen peacefully, and that those who still cherish freedom and order will find a homeland in some part of the old United States.

16 posted on 11/14/2003 7:26:37 PM PST by resistmuch
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To: mo
IMHO this, here and now, is where the battle against terrorism starts.

Who is going to lead this battle? Poor Tom Tancredo is the only politician that seems to be able to voice any leadership on this issue.

17 posted on 11/14/2003 7:27:51 PM PST by itsahoot (The lesser of two evils, is evil still...Alan Keyes)
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To: VU4G10
I want it fixed, now.

As long as the "fix" isn't amnesty and a massive guest worker program. This writer doesn't say what his idea of a fix is, but that's where most editorials are going these days.

18 posted on 11/14/2003 7:30:12 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: SandRat
It was reported in the Mexican newspapers this week that due to the price of oil being low, the remittances that Mexicans send to Mexico has overtaken oil as #1.
19 posted on 11/14/2003 7:41:39 PM PST by texastoo
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To: texastoo
"The remittances that Mexicans send to Mexico has overtaken oil as #1."

Amazing. This is money lost to our economy, propping up a foreign government that is actively undermining our nation.

20 posted on 11/14/2003 7:46:57 PM PST by resistmuch
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